Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by 14thDoctor, May 5, 2019.
Why don't you try answering for yourself? Are the characters @spot261 mentioned liberals or not?
Explain your answer.
Dayton, do you eat fecal pot pies sent to you from Satan via UPS?
"Boy, do I ever".
Wow, I can't believe you just came right out and admitted it!
This is truly one for the WF history books!
Rich people who have more wealth than they can ever hope to use or spend who spread it around for the benefit of others are not "leftists". They are simply philanthropists. And simply looking at their efforts now completely ignores the actions they took to acquire their wealth in the first place.
Also the "superheroes" which are shown using their powers to benefit others are never shown to be "empowering" others which would be more emblematic of the "leftist" idea.
How rich is Superman?
And if Superman and Batman's behaviors are not liberal, what label would you put on them?
Batman is an altruistic capitalist. He has made his fortune and wants to use it to help others. You can name similar people across the United States.
Superman defies labeling with an American or even Earth label given his capabilities are so far beyond what can categorized normally.
Incidentally if it helps there was a special issue of a comic book where Superman tried to help the starving in Africa by carrying a huge cargo ship full of grain to them.
Unfortunately the bad guys launch a missile that blasts the cargo ship to bits but even as the grain disperses in the winds Superman manages to detect poison mixed with the grain.
Later, Superman confronts a dictator and his soldiers. The dictator taunts Superman. Knowing Superman won't kill his soldiers. Superman uses is heat vision to slice thru the rifles of the soldiers. The dictator simply applauds Superman and then laughs. He points out that Superman can't stay there forever and he can simply summon more soldiers with more weapons.
Superman accepts defeat. He knows that defeating the scourge of starvation and those who have caused it is a task for all mankind. Not something that one indestructible superhero can do.
The Fortress Of Solitude has what amounts to replicators, so he's all set up and taken care of.
Clark Kent does all right.
But Superman can squeeze coal into diamonds, which he could "give", to Clark, and make him rich any time he wanted.
So Tony Stark supporting government registration of super tech is a right wing action?
Bruce Wayne secretly donating millions to government run services to give homes to street kids is not empowering those kids?
The X Mens' mission statement of visibly using their mutations to build bridges between communities and allay fear of mutants is neither left wing or empowering a minority?
Maybe Peter Parker actually uses his powers for personal gain and doesn't really get around on a push bike when not fighting super villains.
You know what they actually call a right wing super hero, someone who uses their powers for profit?
(or the Guardians of the Galaxy, take your pick, but interesting how they are always shown to be destitute and living on the fringes of society, almost as though someone was suggesting to us that something has to give in that situation)
Or the Ghostbusters.
Or Booster Gold.
Yes, because the are making up for the shortfalls in society caused by corporate corruption and greed. Gotham is a corrupt, crime ridden state where the government is underfunded, so he has to help out because no one else will.
In other words the situation you get where social programs aren't funded. It's a recurring theme through the comics that Wayne faces a far more damaging and insidious threat to humanity in the form of his own board members than in the super villains he chases at night.
You realise you've just made my point for me? Changing things for the better is a collective effort.
Interesting, this article puts Batman as a conservative and Superman as a centrist.
I mean real libertarians support open borders, making illegal aliens definitionally impossible, so I guess technically they wouldn’t be able welcome illegal aliens... but something tells me that’s not what you meant and were instead looking to score cheap points.
Ironically true libertarians are really quite left wing (insofar as the term means anything). The current association with conservativism is an oddity which only works when people squint, ignore the fine print and support their positions very selectively.
I've never met a Libertarian that supported open borders. That's not snark, I mean I've never met one.
Edited to emphasize the "L."
Actually, prior to 4Chan and Twitter, that's exactly what much of libertarianism used to mean.
Maybe y'all should start telling the drooling idiots to stop styling themselves as libertarians.
Because most "libertarians" you meet, aren't.
I gotta amend that.
The Ghostbusting operation is capitalist.
The individual Busters cover the spectrum.
I conjecture based on their behavior that...
Peter is a full on Reaganite.
Egon is too smart for politics, but is a cold-blooded pragmatist about the capitalist side of Ghostbusting.
Ray is a bleeding-heart liberal.
Winston is a grizzled cynic who either votes Democrat and holds his nose, or doesn't vote at all.
I have no problems whatsoever in with individuals seeking to help the poor and downtrodden. In fact it is commendable. A very Christian thing to do. What I (and I suspect many conservatives) have a problem with is the government (which as you know has guns) forcing people to assist the poor and downtrodden by taking their money and distributing it as the government sees fit.
Not all libertarians are for open borders, but a lot are for allowing more legal immigration and not just H1B visas.
Actually true. Most people that call themselves "libertarians" are more what I've heard called "internet libertarians".
What's an "internet libertarian"?
You’re hardly helping though.
Yes. I've heard the term, but I've never seen anyone describe it.
It's the mirror opposite of "keyboard Commie".
It's someone who's moderately affluent, very much urban or suburban, someone who doesn't remotely show any true independence from the state (merely posts about it online) and commonly tends to unwittingly misuse the term libertarian to simply mean "freedoms" without making the personal sacrifices and responsibilities which go with them. They also are frequently inclined towards the right, seeing the liberty associated with detachment from the state to be a territorial matter protected quite ironically by.....the state.
Saw this today on FB and reminded me of this discussion.
One way ANYONE can influence the end result is to stack the applicant pool. For example if you are only looking for trans women for a project, only post the job in a forum for queer folks and specifically ask for trans women. Odds are the majority if not all applicants will be trans women (with the exception of some cis gay dudes you don’t tend to get the ‘just trying to make a point’ trolls in the queer community).
"Superman comics were 1st published in 1938 and the early stories creators Siegel and Shuster's ideals and social concerns. This 1938 strip features Superman disguised as a soldier (lower right panel) dragging a greedy arms merchant (lower center panel) to the front lines of battle in war that looks suspiciously like the Spanish Civil War (1936-39)."
How about Superman paying his own taxes?
Separate names with a comma.