Traffic enforcement cameras: Follow the Money

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  1. Order2Chaos

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    http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2007/road-eyes.asp


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  3. Tex

    Tex Forge or die. Administrator Formerly Important

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    I'm definitely going with the "not guilty- it's not me" defense from the website.
  4. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    That's rather disturbing. Every time I pass by one of the local "check your speed!" radar things, my clocked speed varies from -3 mph to +3 mph compared to my actual speed. It's a little ridiculous to ticket over something as little as that. 3 mph more is not gonna be causing accidents, but 10-15 mph more will.
  5. Kyle

    Kyle You will regret this!

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    That's just the thing - they aren't going to nail you for something that slight. When it comes to hyperbole, this article has it in spades. I'd bet that in reality, it'd start at 5 to 7 miles over the limit which, in construction zones especially, you shouldn't be doing.

    I also find it laughable that they hate increased fines in work zones. Any non-automobile accident is not going to result in a ticket, which makes their "15%" number garbage - the people that make up that 15% suffered wholly preventable injuries if people would have simply driven responsibly in the zones. As such, I have absolutely no issue with increased fines in them.

    And that really brings me to why I have an issue with this article. If you're going to challenge something like work zone fine increases, something that is a bad thing only to those in violation, it weakens the rest of the article, which is already skating on precariously thin ice.

    The article quotes anecdotal or single-incident evidence of where the system failed and proclaims them to be the norm - ironic, considering how willing the article is to use statistics that support its claim.

    And, finally, their argument that the system creates more accidents is flawed, because it places the blame on the system, rather than the drivers involved. If you're cruising along at 35, are just at the intersection, and it turns yellow, the safe, responsible, and very legal thing to do is to just head on through - slamming on the brakes is hilariously bad driving. Hell, the next person probably should continue on too. But beyond that, people are far enough back to safely execute a stop. If the driver behind them is too blind or stupid to realize that brake lights are a'firin', he is also a terrible driver.

    In short - when a terrible driver comes across a red-light camera intersection, they drive terribly. Which is what they do anyway. And since there's probably a video recording, it'd be easy as lyin' to simply say - "Look, the guy's an idiot - slammed on his brakes just 'cause the light turned yellow. Time to have him hit a driving course or two."

    The article also says that overall numbers of injuries go up. However, they do not state the type nor severity of the injuries. If they get in a rear-end collision and everyone ends up with whiplash, it certainly sucks, but it's better than having the left side of your body crushed in by your door.

    In my opinion, red light cameras, by and large, punish those who are poor drivers, whether it be with tickets or with rear-end insurance claims. Speed cameras I am more hesitant about, but I think that most municipalities that use them allow for a high enough margin of error that eliminates most false-positives.

    Fact is, more and more people are hitting the road than ever before. We can either hire more law enforcement officials (and I'm sure y'all would love the tax dollars that would take), or we start looking to automation. Because in the end, if you don't enforce traffic laws, you end up with more accidents across the board, because the system is unaware of repeat offenders.
  6. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    You may want to verify that your tires are the correct size for your model of vehicle (You can do this by comparing the specs on the sticker on the inside of your driver's door and the numbers on the tires themselves) and that your speedomter is properly calibrated, because when I pass them I get a 1mph variance at most.

    My agency's policy is to pull you over for anything greater than 4mph over the posted speed limit. The state has a similar policy except for speed limits inside of construction and school zones. They will pull you over for 2mph over the posted limit and you will get a ticket, no warnings.
  7. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    I hate to advocate destruction of gub'mint property, but it seems to me those cameras make a juicy target for some late night target practice... :?:


    WAY better than mailboxes or stopsigns...
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  8. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Well the thing is, my clocked speed varies either above or below what my speedometer says, which leads me to believe not all of those radar things are calibrated the same way. Of course, it could be other factors. It's just something I always notice. But I will check on the tire thing.