Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Nov 10, 2020.
I think this was the first time my son ever voted in a US election. He was that motivated to get rid of Trump.
Yes voting against a candidate is way more important than voting for a candidate! That said now that the dog has caught up to the car what's going to happen next?
Or is "orange man gone" the endgame? Like they say, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it!
This is true.
The world doesn't follow narrative conventions, but on balance Trump's departure is hopefully a good omen.
We will find out soon enough! IMHO it will be very entertaining seeing Biden get manipulated & pressured by the radical left. I sure hope there's not an extreme backlash in the mid-terms and in 2024 ensuring landslide Republican victories at every level of government - that would be such a shame! I sure hope America gets the government they voted for and then some!
The hyperpartisan bubble in which you live may just collapse when the boogeymen fail to materialize.
Just out of curiosity, what do you consider the "radical left"?
National health care, at the very least with a public option for anyone who wants it? I'm fully in favor of that.
A path to regularization for illegal immigrants and much more openness for accepting refugees and immigrants of all sorts? I'm in favor of that, too. ("Give you your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...")
Serious limits on the availability of guns? That's good with me, too. I can't understand how Americans think it's a good thing to live in a country where school shootings and other crazies using the public for target practice just about every week is a good thing.
A higher minimum wage? Suits me, too.
Doing something serious about climate change? That is absolutely urgent, IMO.
My concern is not that Biden will be too far left, but that he will not be far enough left.
The "radical left" is anyone who thinks other people have a greater claim on the fruits my time and labor than I do. Anyone who sees the collective as more important than the individual.
In that case, I am radical left. Because I believe in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who taught that the most important commandment is to love one another.
Of course, the establishment crucified him...
So all soldiers, for starters? Or did you intend those words to be a slogan rather than have actual meaning?
How do you quantify a "greater claim," exactly?
Because this definition makes it sounds like anyone who believes taxes should exist at all is part of the "radical left."
Not going to engage in silly semantics arguments with you lot. Individual liberty, individual responsibility, unforced participation in society.
Stop bashing Spock.
Anytime he comes out with Libertarian stuff, he's bashing something.
I don't think it's "silly semantics" to ask for specifics instead of just vague catchphrases.
Maybe if you followed the news (or even some of the more informative threads in the RR) you might have a clue what's going on.
I see FF's only recent participation in this thread is to "dumb" everything he doesn't like, without even trying to refute anything. A shame, actually, since if a philosophy is actually worthwhile, it should be able to be defended clearly, without simply having to say that all those who disagree are "dumb".
By the way, for the theologians among us, I am very much aware that in the spiritual realm, Jesus did not consider this the most important commandment, but only the second most. But we are talking here about society, not religion.
"My rule means whatever I want it to whenever I want it to. What you want violates it; what I want is necessitated by it."
Kindly tell the class why you believe I have no concept of what happens after Trump is frog-marched out of the Oval. Or just this the way you do everything else.
The irony is in you telling others to follow threads in the RR when you struggle with keeping up with threads yourself.
I seriously do not understand how people don't see the damage trump has caused our democracy.
Tell me, what do you think he did "right"?
I agree with all of this. It's really too bad most Christians in the US do not, also, follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Hell, they don't even follow the same teachings from 1970s.
But, long before I ever understood the concept of belief and religion, I felt this way. My father has called me a "bleeding heart liberal" since I started talking because I think we humans have a moral obligation (didn't phrase it that way at 4 years old) to take care of one another. I grew up with the idea compassion for other humans equals liberal.
It is interesting that Jesus is by no means unique in this philosophy. Numerous religions and philosophies have come to the same conclusion. And a simple study of history shows it as well: societies prosper through cooperation. "Rugged individuals" are nice, but they didn't build the powerful economic and social structure that makes the difference between anarchy and civilisation.
"My rights are more important than caring about anyone else" is one of the most short-sighted philosopies there is.
There is a reason Americans think this way - as well as Australians. While working at the township assessor's office a couple decades ago, I was exposed to a lot of history that is ... overlooked/skipped/skimmed in school. But, the US and Australia have histories in which the coasts were colonized and populated with Europeans and a government that wished to expand off the coastal areas. So, people were offered incentives to move into those areas and begin farming and the necessary things to populate and "tame" the wilderness. In Europe, and presumably most other areas in the world, people lived in villages and went out to work in the fields during the day and came back to the village in the evening. In the US and Australia, those who ventured into the wilderness did not have the option to "come back to the village" in the evening. They stayed out there on their farm in their little wooden house and kept adding on to it or improving it and even purchased mail order brides to breed a family.
Thus, the idea of "rugged individualism" was born.
Where did you go to school? Are you saying you weren't taught about little things such as the Louisiana Purchase, the "taming of the frontier" (trans. the slaughter or removal of the indigenous peoples who "got in the way"), the Homestead Act, etc., etc., etc. I learned most of that in 6-8th grades.
No, I'm talking about the why and the what happened. As I said, things were "skimmed over". Of course we learned about those things. What was not taught was the ramifications of such actions and why our country took a different turn than European countries.
If you still don't understand, please note, I'm not going to get into another bitch-fest with you. Ask a question, or respond, sure. But, if you're just going to be a bitch, don't expect a response from me.
Will this be enough to get @Paladin to abandon his Storm Leader?
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