Trump Kicking and Screaming Transition Thread

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Okay. For one thing, a more inclusive curriculum these days does discuss ramifications (where possible within the confines of a 45-minute class and departmental strictures; surely you know this from your sons' schools). The outcome in some instances has been a lot of caterwauling from the Endangered White People about "Gee, do we have to include everybody???" These are the same people who gear up for the War on Christmas every year.

    For another, a good teacher will say "BTW, if you want to know more than we have time for in this lesson, here are some sources you can go to." (Much easier these days with the Internet than it was when you and I had to schlep to the library and hope no one had stolen the book.)
  2. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Paladin already believes--and has for some time--that Trump lost and that there was not a significant amount of fraud in the election. :shrug:
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  3. Asyncritus

    Asyncritus Expert on everything

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    No, but it will be enough for Trump to throw Barr under the bus.
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  4. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Does @Paladin also believe his Leader’s current behavior is damaging to his country?
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    How fast can a fat rat swim? :mystery:
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  6. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Not really. In fact, unless some significant fraud is found, it will ultimately strengthen it.
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  7. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    What about the fact that Trump has gleefully taken around $170 million in donations from people that he's falsely made believe that there is widespread voter fraud?

    Anyone care to defend that?
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  8. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Would that be.....fraud?
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  9. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    They got what they paid for.
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  10. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    LOL!

    Just like Pizzagate was a good thing as once all the facts came out it put an end to the whole Dems-Running-Pedophile-Sex-Ring conspiracy theory right?
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  11. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I didn't make that claim.
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  12. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Just like how debunking flat earth theories has worked wonders for people's critical thinking skills?
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  13. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Oh, and the moon landing was a hoax.
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  14. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Didn't make that claim either.

    But, actually, it's good that there's a public debate about flat Earthism because it shines light on it.
  15. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    No, it just entrenches views which were never evidence based in the first place.

    That's the thing about faith, it's usually immune to counter arguments.
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  16. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    It’s the same faulty logic.

    We know for a fact that spreading conspiracy theories, even to debunk, only promotes them.

    So how does Trump telling his followers that American Democracy is a failure and that their votes don’t count good for America as you have claimed?
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  17. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    You're right: we should let bad ideas go unchallenged.
    Believe it or not, there are people who have been persuaded by the "arguments" and "evidence" that flat Earthers proffer. Those people are persuadable.

    Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder did a good video on it a while back...
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  18. Asyncritus

    Asyncritus Expert on everything

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    I wish I had as much faith as you. I highly doubt this claim, however.
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  19. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    So what you're arguing for is censorship, right? The suppression of ideas you disagree with?
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  20. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Except this "investigation" is being undertaken with people who have all the power needed to uncover the truth and there's a deadline for results to be shown.

    It will come to nothing.
    I didn't claim that was good. Trump is simply wrong.
  21. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Okay, put a number to ‘come to nothing’.

    ‘In six months the number of Trump voters who think the election was stolen through massive fraud will be below ___%.

    Please fill in the blank.

    You claimed his behavior would ultimately strengthen the country.

    Are you saying that strengthening the country is not a good thing?
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  22. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    I think this is Barr saying "this is where I get off." There's really nothing Trump can do to him anyway.
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  23. Useful Idiot

    Useful Idiot Fresh Meat

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    But he's not just "simply" wrong. He's insisting he's right despite all evidence to the contrary. He's refusing to admit he's wrong because of his excessive pride and narcissism. That's not simple.
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  24. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    I’m saying the Republican President of the United States should not be promoting a conspiracy theory that the election was fraudulently stolen.

    I’m saying the majority of the Republican Party should not aid and abet him.
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  25. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That's politics.
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  26. Useful Idiot

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    Honestly, if I were Barr I would've just held on til the bitter end and ensured myself a place in the Trump's next cabinet. Maybe he's angling for a private sector job where the truth is at least somewhat important.
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  27. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I'm saying if you claim massive fraud and can't prove it (or even offer convincing evidence) that people will eventually see that it's not there.
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  28. Useful Idiot

    Useful Idiot Fresh Meat

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    Oh, I see. So much for Trump being different than the DC Establishment, from other politicians, etc. Or maybe he is different in that he's much, much worse.
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  29. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    How many people?

    Can you put a number on it?

    ‘In six months the number of Trump voters who think the election was stolen through massive fraud will be below ___%.

    If the number of Trump voters who remain convinced that American Democracy no longer works is above your number will you stop arguing that Trump and the Republican Party promoting the conspiracy theory that the election was fraudulently stolen is a good thing?
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  30. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Kind of like the conspiracy theories that were shot down, when it turned out that Planned Parenthood was not actually harvesting baby organs (and yet folks still shot up Planned Parenthoods based on the disproven conspiracy theory) or how the Democrats weren't running an underground pedophile ring out of a pizza place (but someone still shot up the pizza place based on this disproven conspiracy theory)?

    Once a conspiracy theory is out there, some people will continue to believe it, even if all evidence points to the theory being wrong. That's the nature of a conspiracy theory. And that is exactly what Trump is promoting. He doesn't need it to be supported by evidence in order to get people to believe it. His followers will believe it, even with a mountain of evidence to contrary. And, more concerning, his followers will act on it, which as we've seen leads to violence, injury, and death.
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