Trumpite Americans, when will you finally acknowledge that you’re traitorous assholes?

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  1. matthunter

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    https://crooksandliars.com/2020/11/trump-goes-golfing-thanksgiving-i-hate

    Welcome to our world, Don. We hate a fucking 'hole too. Luckily, he'll be gone from Jan 21st.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    If only he'd actually been good at the game instead of a fucking cheat, and if only he'd been able to tell Daddy "Sorry, don't want to be a slumlord. Gonna aim for the Masters," the world would be a very different place.
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    Sadly, from how his brother ended up, this would never have happened. Fred made his kids feel that unless they were carbon-copies, they were shit on his shoes. Donnie went along with it. His brother WAS a success as a pilot, but they cut him off and he let that eat him to the bone. :(
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    From the looks of his swing he wouldn't be all that bad. Of course, the problem is that his narcissism drives *ahem* to claim to be the greatest at everything so....he cheats....

    Hitting the ball into a water hazard is the only thing in golf you can't cheat your way out of. No wonder he hates it. :morons:
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    Ages ago, there was a Tank McNamara strip showing the thought processes of a pro golfer who had designed a course. He's shown thinking about how this hole will screw with this or that particular player and how this hole would be easy for the designer because of his tendency to slice. Pretty clear that #DiaperDonald doesn't have the sense of the comic book artist who created that strip.
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    I didn't know there was any difference between the two words. I thought they were synonyms. Apparently, the authors of my Webster's Dictionary didn't know it, either. They give "unlawful" as one of the definitions of "illegal" and "illegal" as one of the definitions of "unlawful".
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    I had this same discussion with my sister the other day. Her stance was the same as yours. We both were looking online as we discussed it and most online sources say the same. However, in my business law class (admittedly, 20 years ago) the instructor and the textbook stated a difference. I can’t remember the verbiage used. But, when I look up statutes, the verbiage is as I defined it. I have never read a statute stating the punishment for an illegal crime to be a fine, nor have I read a statute for an unlawful activity to be jail time.

    I have not read every statute everywhere, but what I have read, seems to be consistent with what I’ve stated.

    If you’ve seen different, please share. I’d like to read it.
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    My Webster's is not online. It's ondesk.
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    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    Is it a legal dictionary?
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    Or is it a lawful dictionary?
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    Is it? Or do you just think it is? Might I perceive it as a copy of Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's Good Omens?
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    The Dumb and Dumber franchise doesn't need another entry, mate.
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    As far as I know, the difference between "unlawful" and "illegal" has nothing to do with degree. "Unlawful" means "there is not a law that specifically states this is allowed," and "illegal" means "there is a law that specifically states this is not allowed."

    All illegal things are unlawful (unless you have a really badly written legal code), while not all unlawful things are illegal, but because there is such a huge overlap, the distinction is academic most of the time.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    A couple of examples:

    If Trump issued an executive order declaring Ivanka to be a princess, that order would be illegal, because the Constitution bans the U.S. from bestowing titles of nobility. If Trump issued an executive order declaring Ivanka to be the winner of the Miss America pageant, that order would be unlawful, because he simply lacks the authority to do so.

    The reason we refer to "undocumented immigrants" is that, although entering the country without permission is illegal, simply being here is not. So if a person overstays their visa, their presence in the U.S. is unlawful because there is no law authorizing them to be here, but it is not illegal.
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    Grifters grifting grifters all the way down.

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    Generally, "illegal" and "unlawful" are generally synonyms. See these links.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal?s=t

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unlawful?s=t

    https://thelawdictionary.org/illegal/

    https://thelawdictionary.org/unlawful/

    So to follow the logic of the "unlawful" definition above (which is taken from the 2nd edition of Black's Law Dictionary (currently on the 11th, but I assume there is no meaningful difference in these definitions), a non-compete clause is something that there is often not a specific law against but that a court might find is against public policy and therefore is unlawful and thus unenforceable. Or let's say that someone decides that they want to for kicks wear a steaks-suit around a bunch of tigers, makes a deal with Carole Baskin to do so, but then gets cold feet and backs out of it. Carole sues. A court could find that is not going to enforce this contract, because although having tigers is generally not illegal and wearing a suit made out of steaks is not illegal, wearing a suit made out of steaks around tigers is ill-advised and against public policy to force someone to do.

    Also, although it may vary from state to state, and situation to situation, but you can hypothetically go to jail for speeding if it's too fast (35 mph over the speed limit in IL is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by just under a year in jail), disorderly conduct (playing music too loud is a Class C misdemeanor in IL punishable by up to 30 days in jail). Illegal immigration is on a national basis (though I imagine that some cities/states are more strict or less in the actual enforcement) and would likely result in most jurisdictions in detention and deportation.
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  20. tafkats

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    Yeah -- when you get into degrees, the distinction is that some illegal things are crimes (which are in turn usually broken down into felonies and misdemeanors), and some are civil infractions. Unlawful vs. illegal doesn't come into that at all.
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    I agree with you in this instance! Whining pussies need to take themselves out of the game if they don't want to play anymore.
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    Reminds me of an actual sign at a business near my home:

    ILLEGAL TRESPASSING PROHIBITED

    :unsure:
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    Not really, though. She's human debris just like he is.

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    How long will it be before Florida man (or his equivalent) shows up at a hospital waving a gun and demanding that they immunize him, a relative or his dog against COVID 19? Of course this will be the period where only the "elites" like doctors and nurses are getting it. The first tie breaker is whether you guess correctly whether he's wearing a mask. The next tie breaker is guessing correctly whether he's been posting anti mask shit on social media. The last tie breaker is whether he posted anti vaccine conspiracy shit on social media! Place your bets!
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    Nah, won't happen. It'll be a psycho with a gun demanding the destruction of the hospital's stock of vaccine so it can't mind-control/autismify anyone, and he'll start shooting if they don't comply. Well-prepared hospitals will have vials of saline ready to smash, and fake labels for the actual vaccine.
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    Oh, my. My favorite Trumpanista seems to have fled FB. As she doesn't care for "rudeness," she's going to be shredded on Parler. :no:
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    Unlawful and illegal generally mean the same thing. But your distinction between conduct such as murder, burglary, etc. (i.e. crimes) and speeding, immigration paperwork violations, etc. (i.e. statutory violations, but not crimes) is correct. Not everything that is illegal/unlawful is a crime, but all crimes are illegal/unlawful.
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    Is that true? The last time I looked, he still had a ways to go to catch up with Nixon and Reagan on volume, though he's been outstripping them on audacity from Day 1.
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    The chart is from PBS. Frankly, I can't keep track. :shrug: