Trump's farmer bailout is twice as expensive as Obama's automaker bailout

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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  2. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    They have been quiet on that front recently.

    Possibly re assessing life choices or something.
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  3. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    No way. They are just taking more kool aid.
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  4. matthunter

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    Nah it's just OK as long as it's one of them doing it.

    Just like they give free passes to all the adulterers or kiddie fiddlers or drunkards or embezzlers.

    And the religious types handwave that God's plan doesn't need a morally perfect leader if it gives them what they want. They'd forgive Lucifer if they got their way on abortion and the gays.
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  5. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    IE waiting for Rush/Tucker/Glen to come on to give them their excuses to use.
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  6. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Their excuse for kiddie diddlers was pretty much "FAKE NEWS!! *throws ninja smoke capsule* *ducks down an alleyway in the confusion*".
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  7. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Evidently those people are more addictive to white trash than meth, and they seem to warp the brain much more also.
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  8. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    a step below opening a jar of moth's and running away in the confusion. It is just fucking pathetic.
  9. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    1. As a rule, I'm not for tariffs or subsidies, and certainly not for protectionism. But if they're used to coerce China into a trade deal that's better for us, I can keep an open mind.

    2. U.S. automakers made their own problems. The farmers are being harmed by government policy.
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  10. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Translation for 1. The white republican god did it so it must be right even if my eyes tell me it is wrong

    Translation for 2. of course it failed because the dems did it, but those farmers are the real heroes and we should all remember them when we are golfing at our country clubs.
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  11. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    That's the correct answer
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Just quoting this post to note that Tuttle and Ghostecho are cowards.
    Wearing a frilly dress to get on the Titanic lifeboat level cowards.
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    Rimjob Bob Probably has Corona (of the ass)

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    Can't really argue with either of those. :clyde:

    But the more general issue of Republicans only caring about spending and deficits when there's a Dem in the White House -- that is a problem.
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  14. Federal Farmer

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    How about no bailouts, period. The government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers in the marketplace. Besides, this turned out to be a complete clusterfuck anyway.
  15. GhostEcho

    GhostEcho Christian Conservative (Republican)

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    Ok, Chief. :lol:
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  16. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    Dicky had poor choice of words. It takes no "bravery" to reply on anonymous site. So you're right it's almost certainly a troll. But easy pie.

    I agree with Palladin.

    1. at China, change "tariffs" to "sanctions". Decouple from China completely over next decade to full blown Cold War, like against the Soviets. Sanction the fuck out of them, gradually, then more severely into 2nd term. We'll have to suffer any ensuing economic pain (recession, slower growth as supply chains are established elsewhere, etc.). It'll be much better for the planet and the US in the long term.

    As to Farm Aid: the general rule is always against transfer payments (i.e. don't tax trade to give money to farmers). Dictator Xi made it clear he was targeting farmers, which imo raises an interesting exception to the general rule.

    2. don't pick winners. Was bad with Auto Industry, is bad now. Aluminum and steel tariffs = bad. It's a transfer payment from consumers to metals industries. As FF said, government shouldn't be picking winners. However, I fully support Anti Dumping Duties. So if these "tariffs" are just a shortcut to address a broken system of international trade I'm more forgiving, provided only that the tariffs end as the broken system is fixed. Shortcuts are bad, obviously, but not to the extent they're used as a catalyst for positive change. ["Dumping" is a term of art in int'l trade. ADD is the accepted response, along with countervailing duties - but both involve a lot of red tape unlike "unilateral tariffs".] I don't agree with protecting an inefficient steel industry, except if a case of national security. I know that NS has been argued, but don't know that such a case has been made.
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  17. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    Palie, not two ells, sorry.
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  18. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  19. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    1. Except that so far all the Great Negotiator has gotten from China is an agreement to partially roll back some of the tariffs he caused. All for... how much money thrown at farmers? And how much a hit to our ag sector?

    2. The bailout was paid back, unlike Trumps throwing of money into a pit he dug.
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  20. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    I wonder if any of the ‘free markets only when it helps the uber rich/Republicans’ Trump defenders in this thread are willing to put in writing quantifiable numbers for what they would consider to be a ‘win’ worth all the money thrown down Trump’s Ego pit and the damage to our ag sector?

    Or do they know that if they quantify it, Trump will inevitably fail whatever tiny bar they set so instead can only speak in broad generalities that are impossible to pin down?
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  21. AlphaMan

    AlphaMan The North Remembers...

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    That's a sensible, principled stance.


    I wonder what your reaction would've been if Obama had done that?
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  22. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Obama failed to frame it as an imaginary cosmic war with China as the Death Star.

    If he'd said words to the effect of "I have to bail out GM, or the terrorists win!", it might have gotten a "yahoo!", or two.
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    T.R Don't Care

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    Obama did.

    There's a reason Obama did well in Iowa. He was a huge supporter of farm subsidies while McCain wasn't.
  24. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yay! Great Negotiator has won a historic deal with China. In return for America partially reducing the tariffs Trump put on China they will partially return to buying our agricultural products (which they severely reduced due to our tariffs).

    HUGE WIN!!!1! SO WORTH!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50765743
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  25. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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