Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Demiurge, Jan 20, 2021.
...might have to check the copyright.
Trump doesn't care about copyright. Check the times his campaign played songs from bands who asked them to cease and desist. Or how Melania kept plagiarizing Michelle Obama (in the words category, not class or looks).
Whatever he calls it, good, fracture the Republicans so we can flip Texas blue next time.
As always, Trumps PP won't be big enough or strong enough to accomplish anything but ruin things for those around him.
If you're lucky, interacting with Trump's PP might net you $130k.
This is evident with his PP tape.
The only purpose of a trump formed party would be for him to collect money for his defense lawyers.
It is the grift that keeps on grifting.
The good thing is the more money he steals from the mypillow guy and his fanatics, the less they can spend on crack.
That would be trademark violation, not copyright, and since they don't exist anymore, the trademark is free.
Let him try. Then the sane people can mock him and his followers for their ignorance of history and watch them
I'm all about it. Let Trump form a new party, let all of his supporters leave the Republican party, and let the Republican party get back to just being Republicans.
I am actually around here. I would be more for a centrist party with two more radical opponent parties. That would be coupled with getting money out of politics. I do not mind the pull for new and different ideas, and I think the better ones will become centrist over time.
I'd be wary after what we experienced up here with the Reform Party subverting Progressive Conservatives throughout the 90s.
Yep. While I had/have no particular political allegiance, I more often than not supported the Progressive Conservative Party (a hilarious oxymoron, I know) because they were "fiscal conservatives with a conscience."
When the bible-thumping wackaloon part of the party split off into the Reform Party, I was happy to seem them go... until they handed election after election to the Liberals by splitting the vote. Say what you will, but the same party holding power for extended periods of time is not good.
Realizing they were never going to win an election by splitting the vote, the Reform and PC Parties eventually reunited, although it was more like a hostile takeover by the Reformers. The resulting Conservative Party that we have today is largely full of Trumpian whackjobs. Again, probably not good for the country.
The point of this small history lesson is: be careful what you wish for, America. A splintered Republican Party may ultimately cause more trouble than good.
Yeah, they moved the entire overton window of CDN politics to the right, not jsut the party (which was technically the Progressive-Conservative coalition party, originally.)
Although by '93 the PCs had already started slicing their own throats between NA/FTA and the GST. Mulroney as their captain abandoning ship rather than sinking in defeat from his driving them straight into the iceberg((s) let's not forget the failures of Meech and Charlottetown culminating in the last PQ referendum).
With you 100%. What's funny, though, is he chose "Patriot Party" because it sounded cool, without any idea that there had been such a party with exactly the opposite philosophy. Just another Dumb Donald Day.
Thing is, it isn't though.
It's dumb to US. To his base, it's genius. They ARE patriots. And even IF they know the history, they will shrug and go "hey, we're reclaiming the name!"
Ted Cruz posted some fucking insanity on Twitter today about Biden rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement meaning he "puts the views of people in Paris above those of people in Pittsburgh".
Now, few things to unpick here:
1) Cruz totally stole this from Trump's campaign.
2) Cruz tried to ignore the will of the people in Pittsburgh by denying the EC vote.
But most importantly, as AOC and others have pointed out:
3) The Paris Climate Agreement doesn't represent the views of Parisians specifically any moreso than the Geneva Convention represents the specific ideals of the Swiss.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!
Cruz knows damn well who he's talking to - idiots who don't HAVE that level of cognitive awareness and just hate the French and/or foreign treaties that aren't signed at the point of a nuke/invading US army/economic strongarming.
The fact that AOC and others are attacking him for it only boosts him in the eyes of the rubes he needs to vote for him/send him campaign donations.
This is one of the few advantages of our system over the Westminster/Parliamentary system. Our system is so heavily tilted toward a two-party system that such a split might not have the same impact as it would in Canada. The idea that the Republicans are on the verge of self-destruting is amusing, but a long way from reality.
Well, there was another Patriot Party closer to the Trump philosophy...
Have you ever known someone who is vegan, and they mention being vegan at least once per sentence? Just imagine the most annoyingly outspoken vegan possible.
Now imagine going out to eat with this person. The server brings some bread, and you reach for a roll and one of those little butter packets that restaurants have. The vegan scoffs because you chose butter instead of the vegetable oil-based spread, but doesn't say anything.
The server comes to take your order. Without hesitation, the vegan orders a cheeseburger. Not just a regular cheeseburger, but like, a "serious business" cheeseburger: two 1/3 lb. beef patties, eight strips of bacon, American AND Swiss cheese, and a fried egg, because fuck it.
After the food arrives, the vegan takes a big bite of this monstrosity of a hamburger, and then passive-aggressively criticizes you for fifteen minutes for ordering a chicken sandwich when the restaurant has a good selection of vegan options.
This is how I feel when the Trumpists call themselves "patriots."
Not only that, but one of the main points of the Paris agreement was getting China on board with an emissions plan. A plan they have continued to stick to and exceed in many ways. The US has gifted China respect and a leadership position on a huge international issue.
How history repeats itself....
A new political party: a great way for Trump to give form to his cult and remain a king without actually having to do the work of governing.
Thank you, this helps explain something I've been struggling to understand about Canadian politics for a long time.
^This. They'll set him up with covert Twitter accounts and canonize him on Parler and they can all be heroes in the Mirror Universe.
Maybe Volpone will join them in their alternate reality and they can leave the rest of us alone.
Can we be that lucky? Tuttle and Zombie and Marso and Paladin and Storm and @Jenee's pet K1ADM and TLS and SHRERPL should invite them. Because you know they're already there.
Happened in 1912 when Taft pissed off Teddy, getting Wilson elected.
The nutjobs already have overran the GOP, so I'm not sure I see your point. They could be MORE fascist? Because they just backed a putsch and concentration camps of children.
I think the more likely result is a period of time of Democratic dominance, but that eventually faltering as well, because at the end of the day the only thing that is keeping the Dems aligned is fear of the GOP.
We'd probably see the temporary end of the two party system.
And while the far left has its nutters too, in spades, their policies actually would be useful in many respects. I think it is very likely the left and center left would split. The only question in my mind is would the center left and center right then align - which is what the center right wants now, because they are a fraction the seize of the far right.
I think that depends on who's in the center right.
Despite the far left's insistence to the contrary, there's a big gulf between the traditional mainstream Democratic and Republican parties on many issues. Would this aligned group support expanding access to health insurance through a public option and making it more affordable through improved subsidies, or stripping consumers of protections and handing power back to insurance companies? Would it be for or against abortion rights?
The only way an alignment works is if the center right consists only of Republicans in the vein of Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins, and there aren't very many of them. The other officeholders nearly all got primaried by Tea Partiers and Trumpers, and it's hard to know if there are enough of their voters there to make up a good-sized bloc, or if the voting base has been radicalized too.
Agreed, but the remnants of the intelligentsia of the right have moved to the center in response to Trump. The Lincoln Project, the Meidas Group, Republican Voters Against Trump, George Will, that group, they look to be actively seeking a rapprochement with Biden moderates. Do they bring many voters? Some, but certainly not a large amount.
Will the center-left moderates take them? Not sure, still a lot of bad blood there. I think it depends on how the rest shakes out. But if the Trumpies get any power and/or threaten civil war again, I think it is a done deal. Hopefully that is not the case.
And while I certainly agree with you that the two groups still have some issues, they aren't any greater IMO than the issues that the far left has with the Biden moderates. Biden is actively calling for reengaging with the center right, calling for unity.
Some of the radicals on the left I know HATE Biden and Harris. Look at the Portland attack because Biden was elected. Turns out the far left did more damage on the 20th than even the Trump crazies, who were silent.
And ultimately I think they are going to be very disappointed in the Biden presidency, because they certainly don't want 'unity with fascists'. And they don't want slight improvements in the system. Biden doesn't believe in the Imperial presidency, and we can see the razor thin margins in the House and Senate are going to make big changes improbable.
The Trumpers, even defeated, are a far larger problem, and a larger segment of the population. But there are quite a few on the left that would like to see the French Revolution here, complete with the Reign of Terror.
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