Universal / National Health Care Insurance

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  1. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    I’d take my CJ-7 with her straight six (and me preferring straight anything should tell you something) over both Wranglers one of which was a fancy ass ‘Sahara Edition’. Even though you had to let her warm up for ~5 minutes or she’d stall out in first (luckily I lived on a hill and could almost always blow through the first stop sign from my road).

    To this day I don’t trust any ‘4wd’ where I can’t lock the hubs myself. If you don’t have to get out, unlock the hubs, and then run it backwards a hundred meters or so once you get to hard top it isn’t real 4wd. :bailey:
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  2. steve2^4

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    82 CJ 7. 5speed.

    I'll bet Al's is an automatic.
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  3. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    :yes:

    82 was both a good year for CJs and humans.
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    And designed at American Bantam by one Harry A. Miller, based on information of what a military vehicle should be, given to him by George S. Patton.
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    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    I got my first rolling blow job in that Jeep.
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Beep/Bop/Boop

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    The 258 carburator was an unreliable dog if you didn't want to fiddle with it every fucking day. And the YJ with the computer-controlled, carburated 258 was a maintenance abomination in any state with emissions testing.

    Now, stuff a 258 crank in an early 90's 4.0 block with the Cherokee H.O. MPI heads, and you're onto something.

    And if it doesn't have 3 pedals, you should be driving a minivan anyway. :bailey:
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  8. Uncle Albert

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    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    I have no idea. I just googled WWII Willys jeep and took a screenshot of the pic.
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    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

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    My favorite jeep of all time was the little white Comanche pickup. No 4 wheel drive. No air. Semi-functional tape deck. Could barely climb up a very tame hill in the snow, but I loved that little guy! :wub:
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  11. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I had an 86 Comanche in blue. Loved that truck.
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  12. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Beep/Bop/Boop

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    The MJ. It was neutered with no 4wd. Part of me wishes I'd kept it, though. The stick shift with the 4.0 made for a lively little commuter.

    With what I know now, I might have swapped out that beam front axle and attached a NP231 transfer case to that AX-15. That era of jeeps was all modular and bolt-on.
  13. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    However your approach to achieve that is a naive one that doesn't necessarily achieve the outcome you say you're aiming for.

    For example it's quite likely that increased societal unrest and crime rates would result in more engagement with you than that of funding public education.
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  14. Uncle Albert

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    Good thing a guarantee of total success is not a prerequisite.
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    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    My father kept an economy commuter car going for years, along with an old GMC van, and a chevy station wagon. I put a ton of miles on an old pontiac 6000 when I was a kid, and had so much fun I bought a second one. Every car I have owned I put more than 100k miles on, and I have owned a bunch.

    There are some brands that really end up sucking, but for the most part you could put some punch into any fucking car and get some action. I see toyota pickups on the road that have seen more action than any Jeep.

    Your car wasn't awesome because of it's brand. It was fucking awesome because it was your car.
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  16. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Did you have to run to stay on the exhaust?
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  17. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Sounds like someone surrendering in apathy would say.

    Once again despite complaining about it repeatedly, you ascribe motivations to others.

    Supporting public education isn't the surrendering or apathetic option. It's the option that looks at history and the reason it came into existence and realising that the experiments have already been run.
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  18. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    I could be wrong, but I believe that a large part of "the reason it came into existence" is because industrial bosses required a workforce with a rudimentary education.
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  19. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Supporting public education is a positive direction you can put your effort into bettering society which would make your future better. But @Uncle Albert has the fucking foresight of a five year old, as most libertarians and conservatives do.
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  20. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I believe you are correct. If you look at current American primary education, it seems largely to be a late nineteenth/early twentieth century construct aimed at inculcating the working class with the mindset necessary for assembly line work. Since the late 1960s or so there's been a lot of social gobbledygook layered on top of it, but the basic model hasn't changed.
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  21. Uncle Albert

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    Imagine if it were life skills and a marketable trade instead of social gobbledygook.
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    Our entire educational system needs a rehaul. Education isn't a "one size fits all" thing. Everyone is different. learn at different rates. Some good at one thing, others good at another. By the 8th grade I'd realized I hadn't learned anything 'new' in years. Everything was just building on previous lessons. I mean, I got the basic premise of addition and subtraction by the second grade. Why am I still doing basic mathmatics in the 8th grade? Basic algebra is still just addition and subtraction. English is English through 12 years of education.

    And if public education was suffering in the 1970s, it actually hindering the accumulation of knowledge now.
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  23. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Great if no one is to aspire beyond working on factory lines.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    What social gobbledygook is being taught that doesn't help students and how much time does it take?

    Not expecting details of the curriculum, just rough estimate is fine.
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    The "mainstreaming" of special needs kids instead of placing them in their own dedicated classrooms with teachers trained to properly support them.
    Worrying about which pronouns to use for various people instead of teaching them what pronouns actually are.
    Lowering standards so that everyone can "pass," even if they've not actually learned anything.
    Participation trophies.
    Trying to engineer equality of outcomes instead of equality of opportunities.
    Like that.
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  26. Uncle Albert

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    Aspire all you want, but I expect you to earn your keep in the mean time . Pretending it is "beneath" you is no excuse to be unproductive.
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  27. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor You know what time it is

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    I don't know enough about this to say which is better for special needs kids. :clyde:
    That just sounds like a Ben Shapiro meme. How long do you think it would actually take to confirm everyone's pronouns at the start of the year, or even once a month? It might make calling attendance take a minute or two longer. :shrug:
    When I was in school in the 80's/90's almost everyone passed onto the next grade no matter what until high school started in the 10th grade, after which you'd pass or fail each class based on your actual abilities, and there were university path and basic diploma path versions of all the core subject classes depending on what your goals were. There was also a basic "get your GED fast and go learn a skilled trade" route for the kids that really didn't want to stick around.

    Is it actually different in high school now, or are you getting your information from Turning Point USA? :chris:
    Were created to placate parents, not kids. Kids know they're worthless and find them embarassing. :shrug:
    Which kids are losing out on opportunities in order for other kids to have better outcomes? Or is that something you saw in a meme?
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  28. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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    I still think that price gouging is the bigger problem that needs fixing. The average cost of an MRI is over $2,600 dollars. No way it should cost that much. We don't allow people to charge too much for a motel room during a hurricane.Why is that sentiment not carried over to important medical procedures?
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  29. Jenee

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    Fucking communist.
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  30. Lanzman

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    Part of the reason for that is that MRI machines are hugely expensive for the hospital to purchase and install, and strangely enough the techs who operate them like to get paid. Not to mention that they're highly skilled.
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