Upgrading from Windows 7

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  1. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Rey of sunshine

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    Microsoft is putting a fork in Windows 7 at the end of this year.

    I've been holding off on upgrading to Windows 10, mainly because everything I've read says it's just one massive spying tool for Microsoft, similar to Apple's iOS.

    I found a few threads by @Tuckerfan that seem to raise a lot of questions about Windows 10.

    Just wondering if any of the more technically-inclined folks on the board had any thoughts?
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  3. The Night Funky

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    I have three machines capable of running Win10, but only one of them actually is. One of the other machines is my laptop that I really only need if I'm going on a trip. That's on Linux because it was a refurbished unit I got for next to nothing and M$ decided that the license number for the install of Windows on that machine was fake. Rather than bother with calling M$ and potentially having to pay as much for a licensed copy of Windows as I did the laptop (especially since I tend to only use it a couple of times a year), I found a compact Linux distro that does what I need and put that on there. The other machine is on Win7. That's the ol' porn 'puter, and I'm not about to let that machine send all my personal stuff to M$. The only reason that it's not on Linux is that the slideshow program I have installed on it is Windows only. However, I am going to be moving that machine (and probably my Win10 machine) to Linux in the very near future. There's a program called WINE, which lets you run Windows programs on Linux.

    My plan is to install a Linux distro like Deepin on an external drive, boot from that, and test to see how everything works on the machine with Linux installed. That way, I don't have to worry about what happens if there's an issue with my hardware, or if the slideshow program runs slow under that particular distro. I also avoid the issue of setting up a dual boot machine. Windows is a dick about being set up to dual boot, and absolutely insists on being the primary OS, so if you're not paying attention during start up, you could end up running Windows when you needed to be running Linux. Once I find a distro I like, then I'll copy off the important files off the old machine, nuke the OS, and stick Linux on there.

    The machine I have that's running Win10 is one I built from scratch. I did it when M$ was still selling 7, but offering free upgrades to Win10 (they still are, they just don't tell you this). I put 7 on it, test drove it, discovered that some of my gear wouldn't work on it (even though it worked just fine on my other Win7 machine), so I did the upgrade to 10. That was a fairly smooth process, of course, I didn't have much installed on the machine, so it wouldn't have been a huge deal if anything had gone wrong. The gear worked, and I was largely happy with 10, until somewhat recently.

    About a year ago, M$ pushed out an update that bricked a piece of gear. I contacted the manufacturer about it and their response was, "Yeah, M$ says they haven't changed anything with the latest update, but they pretty clearly have. We've got a patch that might fix it, but if it doesn't, there's nothing we can do until M$ tells us what they did to the drivers." The patch didn't fix it. I haven't had time to poke around to see if there's been anything done to correct the problem since then.

    Another issue I had, is that when I built the machine, being no dummy, I installed a small SSD which is where Windows and all my programs are installed. I put in a big spinny HDD for all my files. The OS and programs run really fast, though it does take a little longer for files to load. The big spinny drive is where the backups for Windows go. Some months back, I kept getting "low-disc space" warnings on the big spinny drive. One of the programs I regularly use tends to save files in a giant format, so I assumed that was the problem. I went through, deleted all the old files I no longer needed, and all was well. Until I got another "low-disc space" warning. Even after deleting a bunch of stuff, I still had the problem. I went out and bought a 2 TB external drive (since they're so cheap), copied a bunch of stuff over to it, deleted stuff from the big spinny drive, and everything was golden. Until it wasn't.

    In comparing the external drive, with the big spinny drive, I found that I'd barely made a dent in the storage capacity of the external drive, but the big spinny drive was down to just a couple of gigs. The only folder I could find that was even sort of large was the one tied to the program that I knew saved files in a large format, but even then, it still wasn't large enough to account for WTF was happening to all my drive space. I poked around on the web and discovered that the issue was caused by how Win10 saves the backups it makes. The default setting is to keep all backups, and the machine makes a backup once a week. The folder and files that these backups are saved to are hidden and can't be found using File Explorer. You've got to dig around in Settings to find them, change the default for how long Windows keeps backups, and then manually delete the backups one at a time in Settings. It took goddamned forever to get them down to something not approaching a couple of TB. So not really happy about that.

    In listening to a couple of recent tech podcasts, it's pretty clear that M$ is going to be pushing folks towards a subscription model for Windows, while not offering anything significant in exchange, except for software updates and "cloud services." Oh sure, maybe I'll get to do some VR stuff in the future, but I can't afford VR gear, and none of the other stuff that they're hinting that Windows will be able to do is anything I'm particularly interested in. Not to mention, I have no idea how much longer M$ is going to keep supporting Windows for my PC. With XP, Vista, 7, and 8, M$ said they'd provide support for the OS for ~10 years. Win10 is supposed to be the last version of Windows, and they'll just keep upgrading it as time goes by. Problem is, they stop supporting various chipsets along the way, and you don't know when that will be. So, your machine could run perfectly fine, but because your video card is old and M$ doesn't want to support it, you'll no longer get updates. Already, M$ is no longer supporting Win10 for some Intel and AMD CPUs, because they think they're too old.

    Meanwhile, there are ample Linux distros that do the same things (and can even run many of the same programs natively) as Windows, and they're all free. So once I get the kinks in the porn 'puter worked out, I'm going to look at moving my main machine to some flavor of Linux. In my, somewhat limited, experience with modern incarnations of Linux, I've found it to be generally as easy to use as Windows. Some of the programs aren't quite as polished as similar Windows programs, but most of them aren't so horrible that you never want to use them. The only area that I'll say Windows is dramatically ahead of Linux is in file management. I've not found anything as easy to use on Linux as File Explorer is on Windows. Linux's stuff isn't quite as primitive as the old command line stuff we had back in the days of DOS, but it's pretty fucking close.
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  4. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    Windows 10 is decent but it is definitely annoying that it forces ads down your throat and even installs apps you don't give it permission to install. Some of it is fixable by taking the time to tweak your settings. Some of it may even be preventable with a professional version of Windows 10--my work computer runs it and doesn't encounter the same ads and random apps as my home machine, though that could be my IT department being good at their jobs.
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  5. Amaris

    Amaris Witchy Woman

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    I have Windows 10 professional and do not see ads. That being said, I'm very strict about what I allow Windows 10 to do.
    I also use Classic Start Menu instead of the default start menu, and that helps, too.
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    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    You'll never know the sheer joy of having to uninstall Candy Crush 4 times per year.
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  7. His Grace Faceman the Duke of Wordforge

    His Grace Faceman the Duke of Wordforge Keeping a Stiff Upper Lip

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    Most people in my office have windows 10. I do not. Everyone complains about it. Especially outlook for some reason. I have yet to leave my laptop docked long enough to have the update go through. This is how I know that most of my coworkers don’t do any work.
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  8. Marso

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    Windows 7 was the way to go before Windows 10. Windows 10 is okay.
  9. steve2^4

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    Windows 10 is fine.
  10. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Rey of sunshine

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    My work laptop has Windows 10. I've become accustomed to it but I'm just not sure about installing it on my home PC.

    A lot of the info so far in this thread has been helpful. :techman:

    P.S. - @Chad Kardashian I've never come across ads on my work laptop so I'm assuming my IT guys have configured it appropriately.
  11. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    Lol what?! The Linux CLI is extremely powerful, you noob. :lol:
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    :rolleyes: I've been futzing around with Linux since the late '90s, so I'm hardly a "n00b." (Not to mention that I've been using computers since the early '80s.) I was talking about ease of use, not capability. If I want to go to the store 50 yards away, it's faster and easier if I walk, but Linux often insists that I take the Ferrari because it's so much more powerful.
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    Win 2kPro was the best, IMO. Win 7 was a good replacement once XP rendered 2k obsolete, and 7 rendered XP obsolete.
    10 is slightly more annoying than Vista -- if only because of automatic updates you fucking can't set to manual update.
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    Windows 8 forced my hand and I switched to a Mac. I won’t go back unless and until Microsoft goes back to a windows 7 type software. Windows 7 was perfect and they fucked it up.