Discussion in 'Media Central' started by We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse, Sep 21, 2020.
I hope they go with a "Better Off Ted" vibe.
I think they’re sticking with family sitcoms.
It'll be interesting going forward to see what they pay homage to.
It may be that they specifically went with homages to Dick Van Dyke, I love Lucy and Bewitched because they were family sitcoms. Or because they were among the best known sitcoms of their eras and most sitcoms of those eras were family-oriented.
It could be that as things get further along and Wanda becomes more self-aware that things aren't quite right, she will start to incorporate different types of sitcoms and genres of TV altogether.
Yeah they've already said as such.
Well, that was a hell of an episode.
Alright... I was completely underwhelmed by the first episode and a little more intrigued by the second, but the third one has piqued my interest. WTF is going on?
I haven't read a comic since the early 90's so I'm completely unaware of what this might be, but my best guess is that Wanda is unable to cope with the loss of Vision in Infinity War/Endgame, so she has used her powers to construct an " ideal reality" where her and Vision live the perfect life and her ideas of that come from these old sitcoms.
However, there is someone watching her and possibly involved... either fueling this fantasy or trying to intervene... I'm not sure which. They are represented by this downward facing sword inside an oval logo. First was the chopper, then the beekeeper and lastly, Geraldine (Teyonah Parris is a national treasure, btw ) Whenever Wanda is made aware of them, she expels them from her fantasy, so that leads me to believe that they are trying to intervene for some reason. go back and watch the end credits to episode 1... there's someone watching a monitor while drinking a cup of coffee. What the hell is this and what's going on?
I'm in for the duration. Wondering if any of this will have any bearings on the next Dr. Strange movie. Multiverse of Madness.
Oh shit! She’s in the poster!
I was intrigued pretty much within the first few minutes of the first episode. The end of the latest episode really begs a lot of questions.
Very trippy series. Hats of to Marvel for doing something different but still in line with the overall MCU.
This is the only DC or Marvel superhero TV series I've actually been interested in enough to look up, much less watch entire episodes, and I am in fact enjoying it.
Well, I'd love it if they got all the way to the 90s and did the Friends episode with the other Avengers. Won't happen, but that would be hilarious.
I'd guess that your best guess is probably pretty good. It seems like there are three broad possibilities:
1. Wanda has created this alt-reality on her own and is undergoing an essentially internal struggle as to how to maintain it.
2. Wanda originated this alt-reality but some external force or forces is seeking to take advantage of it.
3. An external force has created this alt-reality to ensnare Wanda and manipulate her, and Wanda is torn between accepting it and trying to escape it.
Some things we can reasonably assume, given some comics background and statements in the press about it from Marvel:
I believe she made the bubble herself, as a safe environment where all problems are minor and can be solved in thirty minutes. She had no real childhood, so apparently a bunch of funny old American TV shows are the safest haven her mind can retreat to while she lives in the denial phase of having lost both Pietro and Vision. She knows what she wants -- look at how the first two plots are very specifically about fitting into her imaginary community and living a peaceful normal-person life while not rejecting her specialness. She's in deep and committed to the point that I don't know if she consciously recalls the outside world unless something brings it to mind.
I'm curious how much "free will" she's given her creation and how much of the plot she's inventing as she goes along. Her Vision clearly has some freedom, which I think is healthy, even if it means she has to rewind occasionally.
As far as a 90s show -- Friends isn't a nuclear family show, unless things unravel I'd say it's doubtful it would be the main inspiration.
Agree 100%, but I think Hydra and SWORD are vying for control over her.
I kinda am mixed about the latest episode.
I realize that to a certain extent they have to reveal what's going on because there are viewers who are confused or impatient for answers. But I was missing the trippy sitcoms of the first few episodes and wanted to see more of Wanda and Vision as opposed to the second-bananas we got.
I also don't know if we can trust that indeed this is all Wanda's doing or if there's someone/something else manipulating things. I think it would be a bold choice to just have it be Wanda fighting against herself, but suspect they are going to try to blame this on an external villain of some sort. I think it would be way stronger that Wanda just literally is crazy.
Yeah I would have been fine with a couple more episodes of sitcoms before revealing what’s up.
But a couple more (20 minute) eps of Mariner being a weirdly competent screwball on LDS before we worked through her issues and found out her deal was too much, naturally.
Two completely different shows.
I really liked it, but I admit, a slower reveal over a few weeks might’ve been better. I would like to see a few more sitcom homages too. I think we will.
It also seems to me that Wanda is acutely aware of what she’s doing. She understands that Ultron killed her brother, that she’s encapsulated the town of Westview in her fantasy and that Vision is dead. She’s consciously choosing to immerse herself in this fantasy. If she really wanted to hurt Monica or the Beekeeper dude, she would’ve... but she didn’t.
I’m more intrigued than ever!
Presuming Wanda is creating this fantasy, and even presuming the sitcom aspect is part of that...why would she be broadcasting television? And would Darcy be bringing along a device that decodes NTSC television signals?
The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation doesn't work that way. If it's being emitted from just over yonder, it isn't microwaves...it's actually visible light. The radiation only becomes microwaves because its frequency is lowered by travelling across expanding space for billions of years.
Darcy! But we didn't get a good shot of her rack.
Agent Woo! Again, no rack shot.
I'm intrigued and entertained. I think the setup has been pretty good...I hope the payoff is worth the buildup.
It's Disney. rack shots are out of the question. As this cartoon demonstrates, Walt was a buttman.
I mean, next you'll be saying gamma radiation doesn't turn you big and green and cosmic radiation doesn't let you stretch, turn invisible, light on fire or become super-strong.
We just have to accept the premise that what Wanda is doing is giving off some kind of radiation that can be captured and interpreted as the broadcasts we have been seeing in the first three episodes.
They didn’t identify who Agnes was being played by, right?
I thought it was a great episode.
We're likely going to see a few more sitcoms -- just not as stand-alone episodes -- and that's fine with me because the conceit was starting to wear thin.
I like that they shifted gears.
Anyway, viewers who are confused or impatient should watch something else.
It may be that the sitcom is Wanda's interpretation of the perfect American life she wants, and the broadcast is her subconscious trying to reach outside of her bubble asking for help.
Paul Bettany gave away an intriguing (non)-spoiler, in that a Marvel character is coming that is an actor he always wanted to work with and that it's a big deal and hasn't been spoiled yet, they managed to keep it secret.
And if he always wanted to work with him that means he hasn't yet.
Considering Marvel now has the rights back to almost everything, what if it turns out to be Magneto? After all, in the comics he's Wanda's dad. My guess is that isn't the case, but man I'd love that if it were true.
It seems pretty apparent Hydra is influencing Wanda's state, though she still has control of her own powers. Another intriguing idea is Helmut Zemo. Daniel Bruhl and Paul Bettany were both in Civil War, but didn't have any scenes together.
Zemo also has a direct tie in to Wanda, because in this version he's Sokovian, like Wanda. And while he isn't overtly Hydra in the MCU, he didn't start that way in the comics either, and eventually rose to become its leader.
And in the comic he has a long history of brainwashing others, so this type of move would be right up his alley.
Anyway, fun to conjecture. I know Bruhl is part of another Marvel TV series, so maybe not, but he'd make a great fit as the big bad behind this.
We'll, they don't.
(I guess the insincerity of my critique didn't come through. I'm just being snarky.)
Like those ghosts who can put properly formatted helical scan NTSC video segments on a VHS tape!
I just had an epiphany.
Agent Woo is Asian Jim!!!
I would say it's unlikely to be Hydra. It doesn't seem like Hydra has the means, motive or opportunity to be interfering with Wnada.
Let's start with motive. I suppose that Hydra could want to control Wanda as a power source. But if that is what is going on here, they have far more direct ways to brainwash her. It seems completely crazy to have her work through her issues in this pseudo-sitcom universe.
In terms of means and opporunity, MCU Hydra is either completely gone (as portrayed in Age of Ultron) or mostly gone (as in Agents of SHIELD). Yes, I know, cut off one limb, blah blah. But for it to be Hydra, some of them would have had to either manipulated Wanda into coming to Westview or taken advantage of her being there. They don't seem like they currently have the wherewithal to have any more success in penetrating the barrier than SWORD did.
I am hoping that all this is 100 percent Wanda, but if there is a bad guy behind the scenes as well, I assume it's going to be one on a higher power level than Hydra or AIM or any group of humans.
Hydra literally created this version of Wanda. They lost control of her and Pietro in the opening scene of Age of Ultron.
They can't do it again, as they lack the Mindstone that was in the sceptre.
But they are adept at brainwashing.
And the one way that they could recreate what they lost with Pietro and Wanda was if Wanda had children. Which could be the reason for all of this.
I certainly don't think that the sitcom motif came from Hydra. That's Wanda's wish fulfilment.
But the fact that all of the ads that we are seeing, and presumably that Wanda and her recreation of Vision are seeing, are for Hydra products is likely important.
Is this what's going down? Maybe, maybe not.
But it fits with the motivations, capabilities, and clues that we've seen.
If you think they aren't going down the Hydra realm again, you may well be right. But having the Hydra commercials then would be a very odd choice. From a narrative case, you have to make that part of the final story, if you are a good writer. As Chekov said, if you introduce the gun by act one, you have to use it by act three.
It could also be that the Hydra motif is a cat's paw being used by a more powerful bad guy.
The problem with it not being brainwashing of some sort means that Scarlet Witch has gone nuts, which of course has precedence in the comics, but it makes her major role in the Dr. Strange movie more problematic.
Guess we'll see.
As to penetrating the barrier, that assumes that they weren't responsible for the initial mindfuck which created the barrier. They could have gotten to Wanda without her realizing it, talking her into making the alternate reality in the guise of a friend. Clearly Wanda has control over events there, and is unwilling to accept outside influences.
There's also a tie in to Mephisto in the comics, which would be one of the ultimate bigger bad guys. To this point there are direct references to Hydra constantly, but only the most obscure references to that big bad. The alternate universe is hex shaped, and that could be a tie in to Mephisto due to the numerology, but is probably more a direct reference to Wanda's powers, which were known as hexes in the comics.
the last "sitcom" set at the very end (or maybe in the trailer?) kinda made me think "Family Ties" right off. Not sure.
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