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  1. Paladin

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    For certain it's not a coincidence. The casting of Evan Peters is a very deliberate choice.

    But it seems like clever casting to me. Maybe they wanted Aaron Taylor Johnson to do it, and he couldn't/wouldn't and someone said "Hey, why not ask Evan Peters? It'll be so meta the fans will love it!"
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    NAHTMMM Conversant in dark parables

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    Also, is the soldier dude in charge actually that dumb, or simply playing into the Army Officer Wants To Shoot Everything Scary trope to hide ulterior motives? Does he want to get his hands on the only duranium synthezoid in existence, and for whom?
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    I think the snap fucked a lot of people up and SWORD is rightfully worried about sentient weapons, AKA super heroes.
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  4. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    What a strange coincidence, considering this board is a spin off of a Trek board. :D

    And some of us enjoy analysis. If it's a large text block, you can just mosey on.

    Sure she can. If this was a standalone series, I'd think that was very likely.

    As it seems like it's playing directly into the Dr. Strange movie, my guess is that they do reveal a big bad toward the very end to kick off that movie.
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  5. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Well, they keep saying he's hiding something big, and there's a screen shot on the computer of 'Project Cataract', which doesn't seem to have any reference in marvel lore that I am aware of.

    But cataracts obscure your vision, so.... :D
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    The thing I liked about TBBS was the analysis and speculation. My friends don't really do that. Well one does, he knows more than me about comics and I enjoy discussing these shows and movies with him, but he's not into Trek though. I welcome the discussion.
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    Yeah and I forgot his name. Big whoop.
  8. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    A couple of sources are saying that the last 3 episodes will be nearly double in length, each a full hour. 'Per Kevin Feige', though I haven't been able to find the source directly.

    If so good news, seems like there are a LOT of plot arcs to resolve!
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  9. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    I have seen speculation ranging from him being Mephisto to him being Ultron.

    I assume that is all wrong and that he is just what he appears to be: a garden-variety human who resents and distrusts super powered people. And in a sense, he is not wrong.

    Taking a step back from our bias for heroes and our ability to better know that heroes at least are starting with good intentions, we would see they are responsible for a lot of bad stuff. I don't know how public everything is, but they could have avoided the Snap by just destroying the Mind Stone and sacrificing Visiom for half the life in the universe. Because they subscribed to the morality that the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many, trillions got snapped.
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Thanos used the Time Stone to jump back and get Mind Stone after Wanda destroyed it. So the outcome would be the same.
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    AlphaMan The North Remembers...

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    I have to admit... I keep forgetting his name too. I remember the Indian guy is Norm because you wouldn't expect that and the dark haired guy is Johnson... but I keep forgetting the brother's character's name. :shrug:


    you know... I'm not so sure Wanda is doing anything here outside of being manipulated into powering it somehow... Even the resurrection of Vision and Pietro. I think she likes it, wants it to continue mostly for Vision's sake... and even thinks this is all her doing, but someone is manipulating her. How and for what is what I'm invested in finding out.
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  12. We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse

    We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse Probably a Dual

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    Herb.

    Wish he got more screen time. I like him.
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    Why is it Americans can pronounce Herb right when it's a guy's name, but go all fucking French when it's a condiment?
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    You say the H?

    ..of course you do, you put an H on H by saying "haych".
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    I always pronounce the 'h' that begins a word.

    Honest.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Of course you do, it's the bloody word.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Do you pronounce heir like hair?
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Do you pronounce hair like air?
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    They rhyme, but not just alike. The former has a definite 'h' sound at the outset, the latter does not.

    Do you pronounce heir like air?
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    AlphaMan The North Remembers...

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    Friday mornings are so fun now! It’s getting to the point where I wish I had waited to binge watch this show. I made an audible gasp when the show ended. There were rumors that the remaking episodes would be an hour each but no such luck.

    So I googled Agatha Harkness. Seems like the character has been around since the 70’s, but I don’t remember her. She’s primarily a Fantastic Four nemesis, but she has a significant history with Scarlett Witch. From what I read, she’d be a good match for Dr. Strange too. I wonder what her goals are... maybe it has something to do with the twins?
    So Monica is looking like she’s going to go full Photon the next tune she crosses the hex barrier.
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  22. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    Okay I'm even more confused now. We all knew there was something up with Agatha, but I expected her to be a helper for Wanda. Clearly she's the main villain along with whoever Evan Peters is. He's certainly not the X-Verse Quicksilver which is a shame because I was really hoping he was. That's not to say that this isn't a way to bring in mutants. I'm still holding out hope that it is. I also still think that this might be how they introduce the Fantastic Four.

    I wasn't quite sure what TV. show they were paying homage to. Obviously the intro was The Office, but I feel like there were other shows they squeezed in there as well.

    Just in case anyone missed it, Marvel's post credits scene is back in this episode. It's not much, but it's definitely a hint as to what's going on.
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    When she originally appeared in FF, she was a good witch who took care of Franklin Richards. Over time, various writers have turned her evil or at least evil-adjacent.
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  24. Demiurge

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    OK, it's Mephisto. My bet? He's Ralph. We saw him for the first time this ep.
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    When do you think there was a Mephisto sighting? I've seen spec that he is or has been Pietro, the messenger guy, Dottie, among others.
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    The literal fly on the wall. Mephisto is famous for in his first appearance in comics being a fly. There was the giant cicada/fly thingie in the basement, near carvings of the devil.

    And we keep hearing about husband Ralph, but never seeing him. And of course Agnes/Agatha is a witch, and lore has that witches are married to the devil.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Oh, and I think my theory on Pietro got a boost this ep, that's he's the Fox version from another layer of the multiverse.

    The same thing that gave Monica her powers. When we see her go through the Hex Wall, we see not only the Scarlet Witch's interpretation of her from the previous episodes when she was inside Westview, but several others as well. I think this represents different aspects of her in the multiverse, and which ones are in tune with the hex that Wanda wants present in her altered reality.

    This is why we are seeing the furniture and items glitch and takes a moment for her to restore - she's losing control over the alternate reality because she expanded it to take up more space.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    It was Modern Family. Olsen was doing a really good version of the mom from that show, my wife caught that right away.

    As to the rest, I do believe it's X-Verse Pietro, but we'll see. :D
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    Your interpretation of what happened to Monica seems off. Everything that was shown seemed to be moments that explicitly happened to this Monica Rambeau over time. Most of what was played came straight from Captain Marvel. The clip of the doctor telling her about her mom and Jimmy praising her mom as an inspiration. I think this all represented Monica using the memory of her mom to remain herself despite the Hex normally changing people and things to conform to the Hex, rather than some sort of alliance of multiversal Monicas compiled together as one.

    But even if we were to take it that your interpretation of Monica's situation is correct, it doesn't change that this Pietro doesn't act either like Xverse Pietro or MCU Pietro, and knows things that neither Pietro should or could know. We are explicitly shown in the Agatha All Along flashback that Agatha had some sort of involvement in "Pietro" showing up. I don't see how to reconcile that with the notion that it's Xverse Pietro.

    Once you concede that Mephisto is at work in this show, it seems hard to not acknowledge that Pietro is behaving a lot like Mephisto traditionally has.
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    It seems there are two sets of antagonists here with different goals. Agatha (and possibly her master, Mephisto) are doing all of this to get the kids... especially Wiccan. Then we have Hayward and his faction in SWORD who are just trying to reclaim Vision.

    Wanda represents magic and Vision represents technology. But as we’ve been told in the first Thor movie as well as in Doctor Strange movie there is really no difference between the two.

    I suspect Doctor Strange will appear in the final episode. The commercial this week was a big tip off. It was all about the nexus between realities. But please consult your Doctor first!

    Cool to see the birth of another classic Avenger, Photon. I guess she will reunite with Carol in the next Captain Marvel. From what I’ve read of her powers she seems to be on the same power level or possibly even more powerful than Carol.

    I think Evan Peters showing up as the alternate Quicksilver was just a fun meta nod to the X-Men films. But I don’t think they are ready to introduce the X-Men or Mutants just yet, I feel like Phase IV is already mapped out and mutants probably won’t come into play until afterwards.

    It’s possible Agatha snatched him or summoned him from out of the multiverse and brainwashed him. But I don’t think it’s really setting up anything else.

    I think we are pretty much done with the sitcom stuff at this point. They’ve already gone through all the decades and now we know it’s all a construct of Agatha with help from Wanda. But the illusion is gone now.

    Fun catching all the references to other Marvel storylines, characters and movies as well as all the sitcom references.

    50s: I Love Lucy, The Honeymooners
    60s: Bewitched, I Dream Of Jeannie
    70s: The Brady Bunch, Mary Tyler Moore
    80s: Growing Pains, Family Ties, Full House
    90s: Malcolm In The Middle
    00s: The Office, Modern Family

    Those are the ones I picked up... I am sure there are many more. The attention to all these details, from the commercials, the sets, the evolving storylines, the obscure comic references... really great stuff.
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