Discussion in 'Media Central' started by Federal Farmer, May 13, 2019.
This show is all kinds of WTF is going on.
Lost me. Couldn't finish ep 1.
The civil rights message is definitely important for some people to see these days, but I paid attention during the 60s and don't need to see it again. I want escapism in my superhero stuff now. Subtle messaging is fine, but hammering-over-the-head messaging isn't much fun.
I don’t see much connection to the Comic other than the tv show they keep hinting at.
Well, escapism isn't the point of the Watchmen brand.
I only got twenty minutes into the first episode so far because I was so sure I wouldn't like it I didn't make enough time. I wanted to despise it on Moore's behalf, but actually I am really intrigued and looking forward to seeing the rest.
Streaming programming has spoiled me so I watch very few shows on a week-t0-week basis. I usually wait until there are two or three episodes on the DVR before I watch anything.
I'm looking forward to seeing this later this week or next.
You mean the guy who created the Watchmen based on inspired by characters other people had created and when the series was announced fumed that people shouldn't take someone else's characters and use them to tell stories?
Oh, it's not about copyright. I'm well on record for supporting a broad remix culture, check the Axanar threads. It's just that previous attempts to connect to Watchmen completely failed to get close to the original's quality.
Yeah, but Moore was pissy over the idea of anyone touching his stuff, no matter what the quality might be.
To a degree, yes, and that is his problem. But it was the recent 3 DC attempts to cash in on Watchmen with cheap exploitation that had him launch campaigns. Did they ever bother to explain what the Comedian's badge was doing in the wall of the Batcave?
Did anyone ever bother to explain why there was a picture of JR "Bob" Dobbs in Pee Wee's Playhouse?
Did Pee Wee's Playhouse's first episode end with the protagonist discovering the picture inside his wall and swearing to figure out what it meant and where it came from?
No. It just enigmatically hung there, indicating that it was of some importance, but no mention of made of it was ever done on the show. (Apparently, Paul Reubens coke dealer was a member of the Sub-Genius and Reubens ripped off a number of things from the Church of the Sub-Genius without ever giving them credit.)
Then I'd say this was slightly more conspicuous.
Yes, they explained it. In fact, the very article you linked to explains it, at the bottom (the guy was speculating at the time, but he turned out correct).
Thanks. I didn't mean the immediate info that Manhattan did it, but why and how and why like this. Do we know, for instance, why he would hide the Comedian's badge in that wall?
Third episode picks things up a little bit more. So it seems like the Watchmen did exist in this world. At least four of them, Dr. Manhattan, Ozymandias, Silk Specter and Nite Owl. Ozymandias apparently killed 3 million people in order to save the world and now is being held captive in Argentina. Dr. Manhattan is on Mars. Night Owl I presume is locked up somewhere because there's a mention of a potential pardon. From what we see and here, Dr. Manhattan won the Vietnam war and apparently the US gained several more states as a result. In this alternate reality technology hasn't advanced as far as cell phones go. People still read the news paper, but it could be that certain advances have been made illegal Anyway, this is a much needed improvement from the first two episodes. I can't tell what's quite going on with Ozymandias yet, are those people clones or something? It does appear that he's trying to escape though. I'm now officially intrigued.
I watched the first three episodes last night and agree.
I think Veidt is on Mars with Dr. Manhattan. He mentions that he didn't create the clones, I think it's Dr. Manhattan because they have flaws. Dr. Manhattan is detached from humanity, so it makes sense that the clones would have flaws. As for the rest, I have no idea what's going on.
Yeah, it’s pretty clear that Manhattan created a survivable environment for him and he’s being held prisoner.
Or at least that's what they're wanting us to think.
That may be misdirection and it could be Trieu keeping him somewhere (maybe our moon instead of Mars?) and providing him with the clones.
That’s another possibility. I was trying to find the IGN review, they cover the show pretty well and have some good speculation on what’s going on. I haven’t been able to find it though.
Is it just me or can you not stop laughing at this scene from ep. 4?
I swear to you... When Sister Night turned around and saw "Lube Man" I said "what the fuck..." right before she did... and when he slid into the sewer I said "FUCK" and then she goes "... THE FUCK!!"
After a while on the fence, I've decided to like this show. I'm not a fan of the "Here's a mystery about the story I'm trying to tell you" genre (Westworld, LOST), but Watchmen definitely has something to say.... and it seems it is about race. I may end up not agreeing with where it goes but it has my attention.
I like how it challenges your positions on things... a mostly black police force brutalizing otherwise "innocent" white supremacist militia members. It makes me uncomfortable just to type that.
I’ve given Lindeloff shit in the past, but he’s pulling this off so far. I was shocked when I found out he was the show runner.
Well, the plot thickened quite a bit. I'm guessing Blake will have a lot of questions and Looking glass won't be able to answer them.
So I'm assuming that Looking Glass' lie detector is all bullshit?
Oh my god, I can't believe they went there.
This episode will be highly divisive among fans of the original Watchmen. As you can probably guess, I fucking loved it! As a matter of fact, the last 3 episodes have been on an amazing upward trajectory. Not sure on this thread's position on spoilers, but regardless, I don't want to spoil this for anyone. PLEASE watch episode 6 of WATCHMEN. It changes everything!
I knew little to nothing about Watchmen before this series, I saw the movie and have done some research but not a whole lot. I'm not sure what @AlphaMan is referring to, but I liked the episode, it gave us much needed back story. There's only three episodes left! There needs to be more than that.
It’s been 30 years since i read the comic... but IIRC, the identity of Hooded Justice was never conclusively revealed until last night. His origin story was assumed to be radically different for obvious reasons. So last night was not a ret-conning of the character.... everything last night is consistent with what we knew about HJ. This fits way better than anything Alan Moore probably dreamed of for this character. The ropes around his neck and wrist... the reluctance to reveal who he was... An amazing and defining contribution to this character.
The depiction of him in history as we see on the TV show “American Hero Story.” The revisions of how that Deli “robbery” went down was a touch of genius. How contributions made by people of color of that era were erased and downright stolen by others... I’m just in awe at how well that was done.
Last night was probably one of the best hours of television this decade... I’m talking “The Red Wedding” or “Ozymandias (Breaking Bad)” good.
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