What is the deal with the "12 year obsession" by Climate Changers?

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  1. spot261

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    Yes.

    If the atmosphere isn't changing, why the increase in asthma and lung disease?

    Why this?

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    Why do people increasingly find they need to wear these?

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    Which of those pictures are in the United States?
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    @spot261, you're arguing with two very lead based brick walls. As long as there's a 0.00001% chance a climate model could be wrong, they will believe Anthropogenic climate change to be fake. You might be helping people on the fence, but by now you've posted so much evidence that anyone willing to listen will have done so. Those arguing in bad faith have an unlimited supply of carbon dioxide on their side.
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    It doesn't matter, because Global climate change doesn't care about borders.

    You can't build a wall to keep it out.

    But since you asked, the wildfires are.

    Here's some good old Yankee Doodle Big Apple Pie lovin' Uncle Sam smog too:

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    Look at this graph, what does that tell you about artic sea ice?
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    That's evidence of pollution, not climate change.
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    It reduced significantly over a fifty year period?
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    Ummmmmm......you do know what the word climate means, right?
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    I lived in the Catskills for a bit in the 90s.

    Wasn't a fan of the city but the mountains were beautiful.
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    It shows that sea ice thins and thickens in cycles and has continued to do so.
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    It tells me you're just as dumb as I think you are. The end date on that graph is 1976. Here's most of the rest of it (with a best fit line rather than 5 year moving average):
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    Note that the y-axis has to start 2.5 million sq. km. lower in order to fit the data.
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    Can you find me a scientific source (not a blog) that claims that the sea ice isn't coming back yearly at all? I won't hold my breath, but I'll give you a chance. Hopefully you'll realize how utterly gullible you are re: the claims of bad actors, but I doubt it.
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    You've shown us a graph which illustrates an overall drop from 7 × 10^6 km^2 to 6.4 × 10^6km^2 over a fifty year period. That's massive.

    Fluctuations along the way don't alter that no matter how much they muddy the water to the naked eye. Sometimes it helps to show the trend explicitly:

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    Also the standard for "ice free" is < 1 million sq. km. of ice, largely in Baffin Bay and around the Greenland coast, which is thicker than in the Arctic Ocean proper, and will take longer to melt. Funnily enough, I found this info on a climatologist's website (and based on Jahn, A. et al. (2016) How predictable is the timing of a summer ice-free Arctic?, Geophysical Research Letters, doi:10.1002/2016GL070067), not a conspiracy theory website. It's all quite out in the open.
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    Apples to oranges, or rather, Marches to Septembers.
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    Hey look, here's a sea ice thickness map from 2019, yet alarmists keep saying the ice is getting thinner. Al Gore said the arctic would be "Ice free" by 2014. What happened?
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    Constraining the Mass Balance of East Antarctica. Alba Martin-Español et al. in Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 44, No. 9, pages 4168–4175; May 16, 2017. disagrees
    along with many others. Zwally's paper is valid, but a single point outlier. Even Zwally said “When our paper came out, I was very careful to emphasize that this is in no way contradictory to the findings of the IPCC report or conclusions that climate change is a serious problem that we need to do something about.” His contention was that Antarctica would contribute to rising sea levels, just hadn't yet (which meant there was a .27mm/year discrepancy in sea level rises - some other unknown source had to be contributing to it, which is even worse news.

    Maybe you should read the actual paper instead of Fox and Prison Planet, which were the primary media outlets that publicized it.
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    Al Gore is a straw man. The fact that you think otherwise just shows how gullible you are. Actual science predicts "ice free" (read: sub 1M sq. km.) Septembers -- not Mays -- between 2040 and 2080.
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    I didn't get that from Fox News or Prison Planet.
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    I'm also totally unsurprised by the cherry-picked data in the graph. That grey band is a hell of a lot taller (but only in the +y direction) when you go further back. 2019 is the third lowest May 15 arctic sea ice on record, and you're presenting it like it's shitload.
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    Dayton Playbook Play #1.
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    Al Gore is a straw man now? That's funny because a lot of people were hanging by his every word. You claim it's going to be 2040, well isn't that the point of this whole thread that we're always 20 years away from some catastrophe? Or in AOC's case we're 12 years away. The IPCC report didn't even say that, it's complete alamism. People in 1920 said in twenty years the ice would be gone. They keep moving the timetable. We can question @Dayton and religion all day, every day for weeks on end, but god forbid we question the religion of the left which is climate change.
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    Yes, I'm cherry picking.:dayton: Go look at November of 2017 and compare that to November of 2007.
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    No. That's just what you want it to be about, because that's way easier to argue against. But for the last 300+ posts, everyone has been trying to explain to you exactly what the 12 (now 11) years means - that's how long in which we can do nothing more than reduce CO2 emissions in order to keep to 1.5°C warming by the end of this century. Failing that, we must do geoengineering or carbon capture to prevent additional temperature rise, which are much more expensive and experimental. Neither AOC nor Al Gore are scientists, but I'm not worried because AOC or Al Gore says I should worry, so telling me they've been wrong or imprecise is pointless. I'm worried because the scientific data indicate severe changes and the projections forward are bleak.

    I can find people who are scientists who've said wrong things about the state of climate science (Bill Nye), but no one thinks that one scientist saying incorrect things invalidates all of climate science. Only morons could think and liars could possibly say that non-scientists saying provably wrong things about climate science invalidates all of climate science.
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    This, but lets humor the Conspiracy Cadet for a moment and look at one of these "predictions" by Al Gore.

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    India will be hit probably hardest by climate change. They're now seeing record temperatures of around 50C and hundreds of villages are being abandoned due to the attendant drought.

    Expect very large numbers of people from that part of the world to become refugees in the near future. It will make the consequences of the Syrian refugee crisis (also related to drought) look like very small potatoes.

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