When (and why) did many Americans turn against the police?

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    I've been wanting to post this thread for several months but wanted to do as much online research as possible before bringing it up. However I've largely arrived with nothing definite.

    The last few years a common refrain has been that "Americans don't like the police anymore" and "The police aren't popular in the U.S. anymore".

    When (as precisely as possible) and for what reasons did this change in public attitudes occur?

    I thought about the Trayvon Martin shooting and subsequent investigation and exonerations of George Zimmerman. But that didn't involve law enforcement authorities in the actual shooting whatsoever.

    I thought about the Ferguson, Missouri shooting (the "hands up don't shoot") incident where an officer killed a young black man. But IIRC an exhaustive investigation cleared the officer and found the officer to be justified in using deadly force.

    Some have suggested that the overall decline in crime in the U.S. has made the police and the tactics they use seem far, far less necessary and justified than they did from the 1970s and 80s when street crime exploded. In other words, law enforcement is a victim of its own success.

    Thoughts?
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I never trusted 'em.
    I have relatives who've been through the justice system, so I saw long before the news started talking about it how every rung of the system starting with cops, ending with courts, is corrupted and rotten.
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  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    Thanks for responding. I understand that for almost certainly millions of American citizens their encounters with the criminal justice system have been largely negative.
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    There’s always been a streak of anti-police sentiment in America. I’d say it’s only relatively recently that cops are portrayed in media as heroes instead of thuggish oppressors or corrupt buffoons. I always go back the 1940s film classic His Girl Friday, which revolves around the escape of a death row inmate convicted of murdering a police officer. Most of the characters openly sympathize with the prisoner, and seem to consider killing a cop to be not a very big deal.
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  6. Diacanu

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    Bonnie and Clyde were folk heroes because people hated cops AND banks.
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  7. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    Americans have always hated banks. It is a ridiculous (though common) thing among Americans that goes all the way back to the founding of the country (and beyond).
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    If you don't mind my asking Rick Deckard can you explain why you think the OP is "dumb" and post #7 rates a "facepalm".?
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    I don't like the police because of nanny laws. If I want to get paid or pay for sex with a consenting adult get lost. If I want to do some drug in my house or somewhere that I am endangering no one but myself go away.if I am gambling please find a real criminal. You have no business in my recreation unless I am endangering other people directly.

    Also stop fucking with the browned people. I think this may actually piss me off more than the police getting in my recreation. I am not paying for a police force to harass black people. The cops that don't do it mostly let it happen. So really the whole us police force has been an ongoing form of racist oppression that has been destroying black people's lives since we freed them from slavery. Those black people are my neighbors, friends, and family. Screw them for giving black people shit for being black. Screw them for letting it happen on their watch.
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    Diacanu brought up a good point: the entire system is corrupt but it begins with that initial encounter with the cops. That cop might be the nicest, calmest, caring and honest person on the planet earth. Hell that cop even give you a cookie and a hug. But if you are arrested/booked the other links in the justice/penal system chain may not be so honest or fair. :brood: I'm not blaming the cops at all - the vast majority do their jobs well, but they have almost zero control over whether you end up getting treated fairly or fucked over in the long run. But let's face it - the cops are the one link in the chain that are highly visible, the link we all interface with the most often. A cop car or uniformed cop sticks out like a sore thumb, and spikes our blood pressure within seconds. We don't see the lawyers, judges, law makers, etc. unless they wear a shirt saying "I'M A LAWYER" wherever they go. So all the mistrust & disdain & general hate gets directed at the cops for the most part because it all begins with them.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    This. The Bad Actors get the coverage. Few civilians are going to take video of the majority of LEOs (a) just doing their job or (b) going above and beyond.

    Also, a fish stinks from the head. Look to TPTB/policy-makers to determine what kind of policing you're getting.
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    Because you as usual feign ignorance on a topic which you simply can't be this ignorant. Whether you agree or not, people have been outspoken on their reasons for distrusting the police - whether that be the persecution of racial minorities or the accelerating militarisation.

    Ditto your comment on banks. They fucking crashed the economy less than a decade ago. A degree of animosity is not "ridiculous".
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  16. Amaris

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    Much of it falls to the militarization of the police. When you show up in an armored vehicle at 3 AM, six officers with heavy body armor, guns drawn, battering down the door and screaming at the family of a guy who bought a bag of weed, you can just go fuck yourself. You’re not a cop, you’re an army, and your enemy is any citizen at any given moment.

    For me, though, it all started with COPS, the tv show. I have a problem with turning the “Justice” system into a tool of entertainment, and watching a cocky bastard with a gun mock a prostitute as they put her in handcuffs in the back seat of the car didn’t improve my opinion.

    Add to this a system that prioritizes incarceration over rehabilitation, a for profit system that rewards the removal of rights and freedoms, and that’s a big helping of fuck off right there.
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    Probably the moment "To Serve and Protect" changed to "Shoot First Because Cops' Lives Matter More".
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    Thats the big thing for me. I can accept that there are always going to be horrible people in every profession, but when those organizations protect and even appear to encourage those bad actors, then I feel justified in condemning the entire profession. :async:
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  19. Diacanu

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    Michael Moore back in the 90's suggested "Corporate COPS", where they round up Wall Street crooks.
    The Fox executive he talked to looked at him like he had lobsters coming out of his ears.
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    Amaris Fuzzy Logic Generator

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    That’s because the police are used to violently oppress the poor.
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    And then the oppression is sold back to us like Coke or Lucky Charms.
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    Please tell me he actually pitched this idea :lol:
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    Oh, yeah, he had a mascot too.
    Street crime has McGruff The Crime Dog, so his show would have Crackers The Corporate Crime Chicken.

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    A lot of American institutions are used to violently oppress the poor. The class war in America started a long time ago, and the rich are winning. :shrug:
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  27. Amaris

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    They’ve also managed to convince poor people that all of this is their fault.
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    That's pretty much why Black America celebrated OJ beating the murder charge.

    No one gave a fuck about whether he did it or not, hell most of us knew he had. But he used his wealth and celebrity influence to get off for a crime that rich white dudes have routinely gotten away with in history. And a white woman at that!

    The biggest problem is OK is every big the glory hound as Zimmerman and just as stupid and still got himself busted for another crime for which there was video evidence for. :|
    Pssst....you're a white guy who probably drives at least a 3-series BMW or C-class Benz.

    The cops here are generally less shitty than most places, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.
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    Yeah. Remember that conservative phase I went through ten years ago? That was part of it.

    I thought if only we became better, we'd be deserving of respect, but I realized that was never gonna happen.
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