White Privilege

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  1. tafkats

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    Guess what? If Person A is much more likely than Person B to encounter people who are assholes to them, and that's because Person B is white and Person A is not, that's privilege.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.
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  2. tafkats

    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    No. One. Is. Saying. They. Don't.

    Why you think that "well, other forms of privilege exist too" is some sort of excuse to deny that white privilege exists is beyond me.
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  3. Ten Lubak

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    You are stupid

    There's no need for you to contribute anything to this conversation
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  4. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    Outside of fringe far-left circles on Twitter or Tumblr or wherever, the only people I see raising the topic of white privilege lately are the same people that try to claim racism doesn't exist, or who try to claim the only discrimination that exists today is against straight white Christian men.

    When do we ever talk about white privilege around here unless it's pushing back against denialism coming from RacistForge and WhiteFragilityForge? :shrug:
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  5. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

    The Ghost of Crazy Horse Soul Rebel

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    We don't know the motivations of those people in Quest's anecdotal story.
  6. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

    The Ghost of Crazy Horse Soul Rebel

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    No, I think if other forms of privilege exist so why does the left hyper-focus on white privilege?
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  7. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    Because the right works so hard to deny it exists while also working overtime to reinforce it? :shrug:

    But also, you're the one that brought it up. :async:
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  8. tafkats

    tafkats That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo! Moderator

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    Because that's the only form that certain people are hell-bent on denying.
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  9. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

    The Ghost of Crazy Horse Soul Rebel

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    I brought it because it was part of a discussion in the Dr. Suess thread and because a friend of mine brought it up the other night so it was fresh on my mind.
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    oldfella1962 high speed, low drag

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  11. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    And who brought it up in the Suess thread? :chris:
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    Look @The Ghost of Crazy Horse your standard white privilege card does not have the great benefits it used to because frankly all the white trash was stinking up the decent places. We found that some of the other color people have better hygene and intelligence, and frankly are much more fun to be around. So white Inc. decided to consolidate the power. You should have seen the fine print in the reagan memo. If you want the old benefits you really need to upgrade to gold or platinum membership. There is a new level of vibranium they came out with a few months back as a joke. Don't buy into that because it is just a way to suck money out of MCU Incels so they do not go spending it on things like action figures.

    You can still enjoy your benefits of getting a chance to not get a heavy beating when arrested as long as you kiss the cops ass to let him know how white you are.

    You can also still try to spit and piss on brown people, but coverage is not like it once was and we cannot guarantee that service to our less successful members.

    The old system was buggy and broken and we hope that you continue with us as we transition to a more colorful power structure where you will still be a valued member of the slave class. Feel free to fight among yourselves and do not disturb the farm owners as they like to grind up and eat the loud ones.

    HTH and HAND
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    TOO LONG DIDN’T READ
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  14. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    Originally? @Useful Idiot
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    You brought it up, idiot. :jayzus:
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    Lol no
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  17. We Are Borg vs. USS Crazy Horse

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    Literally every thread this kid starts is full of fail. :jayzus:
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  18. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Listen here, Jack

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    I checked, seems like he brought it up in response to you ranting about "White Panther" and whatnot. :shrug:
  19. Useful Idiot

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    I don't specifically remember what TGOCH said but I'll look it up when I get to work. I know it was pretty white privilege-y.
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    I'll agree that the packaging of the message needs tweaking, but overall the general bulk of the message is to get people to examine how one can do better by marginalized groups. As Doc said, these days isn't only dumb teenager pale kids on Tumblr pulling that shit, and almost always in conjunction to a fandom ship war.

    I'd also reckon that includes marginalized groups too. I've spoken up before how black folks throwing the queer black community under the bus because "gays have their own month" pisses me off to no end.
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  21. Useful Idiot

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    I think the word 'privilege' really sets people off (advantage is an okay alternative, but not quite fitting). But they're misunderstanding what privileged means in this context. The privilege isn't always personal, but it is systemic. So yes, there can be poor whites and rich Blacks without nullifying the whole concept.
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  22. tafkats

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    If a different word were used, then that word would set the whiners off. It's not the word; it's the reality being pointed out that gets the Whiny White Conservative brigade all butthurt.
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  23. Useful Idiot

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    You're right. I just think the word 'privilege' captures the concept very succinctly, and since the word itself evokes images of wealth and luxury, of course it pisses off people who don't have those things in their lives. But in evoking those images, it gives people the ammunition to deny its existence--"well, what about poor whites?" But it's not just about money or what people have, or can attain. I would think this would be obvious, but apparently it isn't.

    What many conservatives don't seem to grasp is that 'white privilege' is a social phenomenon, not an individual one. While POC are surely treated worse than whites by choice with a disappointing frequency (see: many police), most people benefit from the privilege or lose out without anyone making conscious choices. White privilege is baked into our education system, our politics, our popular culture--and why? Anyone with even the most basic knowledge of history knows why! White people set the definition of Western culture for hundreds of years. POC were to be subjugated. They were inferior. And while there were exceptions, that was the dominant social paradigm--and anyone denying that is flat out lying. As civil rights and equality has advanced, the paradigm has been changing--but not instantly. And when we look back on the paradigm that was, we can see the lingering effect that is white privilege. Our perspective has widened.

    But these conservatives insist on focusing on the individual experience and simply cannot fathom larger social trends. People do make individual choices, but groups of people behave in certain ways that benefit some and are a detriment to others. I've always thought that deep down (or even way up), most American conservatives think sociology is bunk. The idea that every single individual is more or less completely in control of of their destiny is far too ingrained. Blame Horatio Alger, maybe. But I think it goes deeper than that.
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  24. Useful Idiot

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    The post that launched a thousand ships:

    My impression of what you were saying is that Black people (or POC in general) get to have identities, pride, etc. based on their skin color while whites do not--a double standard. And in a world where people are and have always been actually equal, this would be true. White people have simply not been persecuted, subjugated, and oppressed due to their skin color. They have by ethnicity, by religion, by political belief--which is why expressing pride in those things isn't frowned upon. But white people can lay claim to a legacy POC simply cannot in Western culture. Has the definition of 'white' changed over the centuries? Sure. But there's a big hint for you--as Italians, Poles, etc. became 'white,' their standing in the social hierarchy improved! No group of people ever got ahead in Western culture (particularly the US) by being dark.

    Please, stop focusing on individual experiences and look at this as the social phenomenon it is. White privilege does not make you a bad person because you're white. White privilege does not cease to exist because you don't have a lot of money and your Black neighbor does. Of course white people get the shit end of the stick sometimes. But overall--on a larger scale than you and me--white people enjoy a level of privilege POC do not. It's systemic. Simple as that.
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  25. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    There's a fine line and we've never quite got it right. Perhaps we never will because where that line is is situational. I'm quite happy to accept @The Ghost of Crazy Horse assertion that many forms of privilege exist and focusing on one to the exclusion of others is inviting resentment.

    However it does not follow that said privilege does not exist. Perhaps the terminology is unhelpful, perhaps people struggling to make ends meet could be excused for being skeptical about their privileged position in life. Absolutely this can be viewed as a class issue, but when race and class coincide with a frequency which carries statistical significance we can't ignore that, we can't simply declare that unemployed and working class people are struggling and disregard the strange tendency for those groups to be disproportionately black.

    The discrepancies remain and centuries of efforts to address them have shown us how intractable they can be and I submit that is because the underlying thought processes are fundamentally human. They are simply part of our make up and history bears that out. I cannot think of any society which can convincingly be said to have had no stratification based on race, religion, gender, hair colour, accent, language, whatever.

    Maybe we do over simplify when we reduce that to black v white in the West, maybe we overlook important a multitude of other dynamics between other groups, along other scales, in other places. But what is the alternative?

    We can't rewire the human brain, we can't rewrite human DNA.

    All we can do is acknowledge the evidence where it presents itself and seek ways to actually improve matters.

    Wrapping ourselves up in guilt or making extravagant self glorifying displays of repentance are not such ways. They are every bit as self indulgent as wallowing in privilege. They are about presenting the person in a certain light, gaining approval and self regard rather than changing the lot of disadvantaged people.
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    Sure. Ok. I'll supply proof as soon as someone offers concrete evidence of my "privilege." Which nobody will do, because the true, fashionable piety is displayed by accepting it as a given, on faith.
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  27. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    But you aren't white. No one ever claimed gingers are privileged.
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  28. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Sure. You are an odious, insufferable misanthrope and there's no evidence you've suffered personally or professionally for your actions.

    That's some overwhelming privilege right there.
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  29. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Again, if one group can be shown to have different outcomes across the board how do you account for it?

    Any one individual isn't the point, the broader trends are.
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Oh, we are.
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