Who banned Amaris?

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  1. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Not everyone takes message boards thje way they should be taken.

    There are reasons I do not play around with most fandom boards. I also do not hang out on trans or GLBT boards. There is too much drama and high school bullshit to mix with what I enjoy or things that effect me to a deep level. I learned to stop going to those places.

    Anime boards are filled with Incels using words like trap and other slurs, whining about gay characters, shitting on certain genres, acting like edgelords, and even people recruiting for Nazi groups and stormfront. There are a number of people out there who watch anime and like it because there are few brown characters and they think it makes the show white. They do not see the characters as asian because they watch dubs. There are reasons I have learned to never talk DBZ at a con. If you do get into areas where the woke people are they are drama filled and use cancelling to rid themselves of people on the outs with the main group.

    I will be the first to admit transgendered people have fucking issues with their shit. Last thing I need is some little twat telling me how they think I need to be to be considered trans. I do nopt even want to talk to a fucking shrink to approve me as trans. Why the fuck am I going to look for the approval of some people on the internet who I do not even know they are not some fundamentalist christian messing with my head. Then you have the whole mix up of drag queen culture in the whole thing, which IMO is the worst parts of being female with the drama, catfighting, and backstabbing. On top of that every time I meet some fucking transexual they always got to do that body shaming, you are doing it wrong bullshit. Thanks for the taste of how women put each other down, I have had enough. Really, I would rather deal with TLS because I am not trying to get support from him, or find a safe space to relax in.

    I have tried to explain some of this to amaris so yes I have told her. Unfortunately this is the world. Even in extremely moderated places people act like people. I was always a bit surprised certain people are here, and she was one of them. I did not want it to turn out the way it did, but you could see it coming.
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  2. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

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    This place is incredibly tame by Internet standards. To each their own. :shrug:
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  3. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    I think that is sort of the problem. It is tame, but that does not mean the people around are reliable on a friend level. Not that it should really be expected to be. WF is mainly the RR after all.
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  4. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Oh, and if my brain does not kick it into gear and start seeing amaris as a woman I am going to try sticking a crayon up my nose to fix that fucking problem. Work right stupid brain!
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  5. Order2Chaos

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    To give this a more serious answer than it deserves (because Async is right), most of the time he’s not presenting a rational argument himself, just poking holes in others’ attempts at rational arguments. Hyperbole, obviously and wittily communicated, is a valid rhetorical device. (Won’t get you far if you’re the only one arguing the point, though, but he rarely is.) You lack wit. The closest you ever come to wit is bandwagoning. Your hyperbole isn’t obvious; you sound like a teenage edge lord mid-radicalization.
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  6. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    I have seen him do some arguing, but when he is not in his comfort zone he just resorts to flinging around insults and tryharding like you. I guess that would be edgelording. You are dumb as fuck pie a lot of times, but when you explain yourself you do explain yourself better than dicky. That is not to say I agree with what you are saying a lot of time. One of my problems is I appreciate tldr.

    Don't get a full head because you have done a lot of relying on videos to make your point. When you do the work you are better than dicky, even when you are totally wrong if you get what I am saying. What is worse is that dicky can do a lot better than he does, but when you are trying to impress the likes of karenmet and faceman you are not required to do much.
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  7. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    I’m fine with this, I’d say it’s accurate.
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    Every time I poke my head back in here, someone else has left/died/drama'd out.
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    He died a week or so back.
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    Well, the thing about TBBS is a load of crap...
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    Yeah I read that and did a WTF - Amaris had a huge supporting cast over at TBBS and was generally very well liked, even after she became a member of antifa

    There were a couple of people that didn't like her calling Biden a rapist, and then she left. That's what happened
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  13. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

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    I for one am fond of "Bernie Brats," for all the meltdowns and disavowals I saw from his stans after he dropped out of the race for "giving up." Which is about what I expect from Tumblr teens engaging in Baby's First Social Justice, but I saw this out of grown ass people who should know better.

    That was my thinking and given how poorly Trump handled COVID-19, I think he may have still had a shot of winning if he'd gotten the nom instead of Biden....but I doubt we'd have the nearly 8 million vote difference and I doubt the Lincoln Project would have been on board with supporting an open socialist.

    Biden is close enough to a Republican that the LP could throw open support and sway some of the fence sitters and disgruntled GOP folks. I do think "24 is going to be an uphill battle for Biden, however.
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  14. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Bernie's shot was 2016, not 2020. In '16 he had a hyper-energized following who would have easily put him over Trump in the general. In 2020 he'd already pissed away a large chunk of that following and a lot of folks who might otherwise have supported him weren't buying the line any more.
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    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

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    That, and I think a huge amount of support can't from the #NeverHilary crowd that would have voted for an actual piece of sentient excrement before Clinton.

    And many did. :rimshot:
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  16. TheBrew

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    I became disillusioned with Bernie after 2016 - well not him, but his base. I found the same toxicity that Trump’s had. It became a cult of personality and I am not into that.
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    Shirogayne 1/06 Was An Inside Job Formerly Important

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    I can't tell you how much the bad actors in the standom really pushed people away. A lotta so called enlightened leftists tried to shame black folks for supporting Biden and killing Bernie's momentum in SC. You can imagine why no one was here for being told that we were idiots for staying on the plantation. :brood:
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    Oddly, in my IRL experience, the Bernie Bros were significantly less insufferable in 2019* than 2015-16. I do wonder if some of it was Russia or China sowing discord, or at least if the particularly insufferable ones were geographically located far away from me.

    *I didn't see anyone in person for most of 2020, so I have no basis for comparison after mid-Feb 2020. While most of my friends are Warren supporters, I live in a very Bernie-heavy area.
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  19. Shirogayne

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    The Twitter standom for Sanders would make Voltron shippers, Star Wars fans (dudebros AND Reylos) and the BTS Army cringe in embarrassment. :brood:
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  20. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Bernie supporters were generally not bad, but much like Rick and Morty fans, a select few idiots ruined it for everyone. But I think Bernie was able to hold on to far more support than Ron "Gold standard, kill your parents" Paul.
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  21. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    I think people didn't show up for Biden so much as they showed up to get rid of trump.
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    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    In the general, that is a legit theory.

    I’m talking about the primary where Biden ran away with the nomination over Bernie.
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    And yet, there is perhaps some of what Jenee said in that, too. A lot of people were motivated to vote in the primaries, and to vote Biden, because polls consistently showed, from even before Biden agreed to run, that he was the candidate with the best chance to beat Trump. (Even before the pandemic, even before Biden was a candidate, polls showed him with a comfortable lead over Trump. It might not have translated into a win in 2020, but it would have been a "comeback" for Trump to win.)
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    That, and that other candidates, who already knew they weren't going to win, stayed in the race in an attempt to draw votes away from Bernie in states that he may have otherwise won.

    The truth is, it's all a crap shoot. No one can say how things would have gone down if any other factor was different.

    It's possible that Bernie would have lost no matter what other impediments existed or didn't exist. People who voted for his nomination in 2016, but didn't vote in the General may not have done so because they felt betrayed by the DNC. Many of his supporters maybe weren't as vocal in 2020 because they knew the DNC wasn't going to allow his nomination. It's entirely possible that the DNC didn't interfere at all and what looks like interference could be something else entirely. We will never know. But one way to avoid even the appearance of impropriety would be to pass ranked choice voting - lessening the power and control the Democratic and Republican parties have in our elections.
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  25. tafkats

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    I thought the argument was that other candidates got out of the race to keep Bernie from winning.
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  26. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Per the math thread, you forgot to use algebra. ;)
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    Could you explain this one? Not arguing with you. But, I hadn't heard that and with having heard the argument the other way, I'm unsure how dropping out would keep Bernie from winning.
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    The basic idea is that Bernie had a whole lane (democratic socialism) to himself. He wasn’t taking votes from anyone nor was anyone taking votes from him.

    However Biden’s lane (pragmatic progressive) was crowded. So folks dropping out could help clear the way for him.

    Also, it seemed like multiple candidates dropped out at the same time and endorsed Biden so that was seen as proof of a conspiracy (and not just that everyone was looking at the same data and working off the same primary calendar).
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  29. tafkats

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    ^ This.

    Most of it centered around Amy and Pete dropping out at the same time. The Bernie Brigades were convinced that Obama and the DNC made them do it and that it was all part of a grand conspiracy to deny Bernie his rightful place.

    It apparently didn't matter that:
    1. Amy and Pete both tanked in South Carolina,
    2. it had become obvious that both of them had Black support of significantly less than 1%, and
    3. neither Amy nor Pete is stupid.
    It also didn't seem to register that if a candidate's strategy is "hope everyone else keeps the field fragmented as long as possible so I can win the nomination with 40%," that candidate probably isn't a super strong one.
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    Point of order: SC is the make-or-break primary for Dems. If you don't win there, you don't continue. There's video from the '08 primary campaign of Bill Clinton talking about SC and how important it is. If you go back to 1972 (when primaries really started to matter) and follow the pattern, you'll see that, as far as Democrats go, IA and NH don't predict the eventual nominee. SC does. On the Republican side, the nominee tends to be the person who won either the IA or NH primary (but not both). IIRC, it's mainly the person who wins the NH primary (which Trump did). Regardless, if you don't win one of those primaries, you don't get to be the Republican nominee.

    The reason Bloomberg chose to get his name on states that have their primaries on the same day as SC or after was because he knew that he could cockblock candidates like Warren and Sanders in SC. Which is exactly what he did. He showed up in those states, threw a little bit of money around (enough that those state parties that were starved for funds were absolutely fapping themselves at the idea of him getting the nomination), promising that he'd give them even more money no matter who won the nomination, then, as soon as he flamed out (and Biden took SC) he said, "Screw you guys, I'm outta here" and tossed a fraction of the amount of money at the various state parties as he said he would and just sat the rest of it out.
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