Will YOU take the Coronavirus vaccines when they're available to you?

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Will YOU take the Coronavirus vaccines when they're available to you?

  1. YES I will take the Coronavirus vaccines when they're available to me.

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  2. NO I will not take the Coronavirus vaccines when they're available to me.

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  3. I plan to wait & see how things go with vaccinations, then decide whether to get the vaccine or not.

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  1. Asyncritus

    Asyncritus Expert on everything

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    Unless I am mistaken, this is not a question of "not releasing any information" but of "no one really knows why". If scientists had clear indications of why vaccinations dont work for some people, they should be able to work around the problem, or at least know ahead of time who they would be. But it's just the way some people are.

    My daughter's mother-in-law was vaccinated for mumps when she was little, but still got it three times. Three times! For some reason, her body just doesn't produce lasting immunity the way most of us do.
  2. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    yeah, the 5% just had a low immune response to the vaccine that left them vulnerable to infection. We're only human.
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  3. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    The study included people who already had covid. They did not expose people who did not have covid to covid. The study was to determine if the vaccine had any effect on the virus.

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

    • Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose;170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group
    • Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94%
    • Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved
    • Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%
    • Companies plan to submit within days to the FDA for EUA and share data with other regulatory agencies around the globe
    • The companies expect to produce globally up to 50 million vaccine doses in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021
    • Pfizer is confident in its vast experience, expertise and existing cold-chain infrastructure to distribute the vaccine around the world
  4. Jenee

    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    Right. and that is the part that is in question. Scientists may not have a clear indication why the vaccine didn't work on those 5%. But, that doesn't prevent other studies from releasing that information anyway.

    It's possible Pfizer has since communicated this information. I don't know. My statement was not intended to be a reason to not get the vaccine. It was just a comment.
  5. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    No, it wasn't of people that already had covid. They don't know how many were exposed (thus the placebo group).

    You're making my head ache (is this a side effect of WF?).
  6. Useful Idiot

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    Well, one shot down. No homicidal rage yet. Urge to kill at a standstill. We'll see.
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  7. steve2^4

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    No, you said 5% had more than a sore arm implying severe side effects.
    Don't make me go garamet on you.
  8. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Read Jenee's posts and tell me how you feel. I might need a shot of something else.
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  9. MikeH92467

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    I'm not old enough, unhealthy enough or "essential" enough to be anywhere but the back of the line. That said I will be getting the shot as quickly as possible. One of the wild cards is the Johnson & Johnson vaccine which is touted as being a one shot, regular refrigeration temperature alternative to the two shot, ultra cold storage requiring Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Raymond James Financial data geeks project the J&J shot will be about 60% for one shot, 80% for two shots. I'd rather get the good stuff if it's avaiable, but I guess I'll take what I can get. :clyde:
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    Jenee Ind. Jenee of Winterfell

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    Go garamet? Do what the fuck you want. I don't care. You're the one arguing here - with no one, it appears.
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  12. Useful Idiot

    Useful Idiot Fresh Meat

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    And tell him you're sorry. So sorry.
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  13. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine this past Tuesday. I’m encouraging everyone to get it as it’s available.

    I experienced some moderate fatigue on Wednesday, but no other symptoms and that had faded by Thursday.
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  14. Jenee

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    Jesus fucking christ. You have gone garamet.

    You win. Now, quite being stupid. No one is arguing with you.
  15. steve2^4

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    Aw hitsay. You made me shift.
  16. Mrs. Albert

    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

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    I think the Moderna one just needs regular refrigeration. It’s still the two doses, though.
    edit: nm, I guess it does need to be frozen - it’s just stable in the fridge a little longer than Pfizer’s.
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    Frozen, but at a level that isn’t ultra cold. Still a problem in non developed areas. J&J seems to be ok in a regular fridge that would keep beer cold or milk from spoiling
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  18. The Ghost of Crazy Horse

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    I just started a new job at a nursing home and I just found out that we’ll be getting the vaccines on Thursday so yes.
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  19. Spaceturkey

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    I'm prone to those the day after too much whiskey
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  20. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I think I mentioned two of the medical people I know had side effects - TKO had severe body aches, my neighbor spiked a 104 temp (correction - my neighbor had no side effects; it was a coworker of hers that got the fever), both only lasting a day. Now an ex-coworker who's a crisis clinician got the shot, and had NO side effects at all. In that huuuge sampling it was 50-50 :lol:. Better than dead.
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  21. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I'm eligible. Got to wait to see which chain pharmacy gets off the pot first.
  22. Bickendan

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    As soon as it's available I'll take it and a paid sick day if needed.
  23. MikeH92467

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    Here's an article that sounds an optimistic note and addresses a question I've been wondering about: how many vaccinated people and recovered victims will it take to slow down the spread?

    Experts define “herd immunity” as the point when so many people gain protection that the pathogen can no longer find enough potential hosts to spread. The gold standard, they say, will be getting about 75 percent of Americans (or 240 million people) fully vaccinated. Since both vaccines approved for use in the U.S. (Pfizer and Moderna) require two shots, about 480 million shots will need to be administered to achieve this kind of blanket immunity.

    That will be a huge lift. Right now, the U.S. expects to have about 200 million Pfizer and Moderna doses by March and another 200 million by the middle of the summer; other vaccines are likely to follow. To distribute 480 million doses by, say, Sept. 1, we’d need to be administering them at a rate of roughly 2 million a day, every day of the week — and because we don’t know how the vaccines affect transmission, everyone would still need to mask up and maintain social distance measures the entire time.

    But in a practical sense, 100 million shots in 100 days could be enough to slow COVID-19 to a crawl.

    There are two reasons for this. The first is that your immune system doesn’t wait for two shots before activating. In their clinical trials, Pfizer and Moderna tested two doses spaced three weeks (Pfizer) or four weeks (Moderna) apart. Both found that regimen to be safe and about 95 percent effective in preventing disease.

    Yet both companies also reported that by the time participants showed up for their second shot, their first shot was already providing them with a high level of protection. In Moderna’s case, the first (or “primer”) shot appeared to be 92.1 percent efficacious in preventing COVID-19 after two weeks, well before volunteers received their “booster” injection on day 28. Pfizer’s results suggested similar immunity — higher than 80 percent — after 10 to 12 days.

    This doesn’t mean Americans should skip their COVID-19 boosters. Far from it. But it does mean that nearly anyone who gets a primer in Biden’s first 100 days will be very unlikely to get sick starting about two weeks later.

    Which brings us to the second reason for optimism. Our goal may be to reach herd immunity by fully vaccinating 240 million Americans. But an estimated 88 million Americans have already been infected — and they have some immunity too. A new, five-month-long U.K. study found that previously infected participants were about 83 percent less likely to get infected than those who’d never had COVID-19; another recent study suggests that such protection could last for “years, maybe even decades.”

    To be sure, natural immunity might eventually wane. Studies have yet to show whether the vaccines stop transmission as well as infection. New strains more capable of reinfection might emerge. And many Americans who’ve had COVID-19 will — and should — get vaccinated too.

    But the fact remains that there’s already a vast amount of immunity out there in America. Layer vaccination on top of that existing immunity, and the virus starts to run out of people to infect sooner than you might think.
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  24. Order2Chaos

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    I'll get it the moment I can. Once pharmacies and doctors' offices have it around here, I'm basically going to call them every week and say "hey, if you've got any vaccine that's going to go bad if it doesn't get used, call me and I'll take one." I figure that's the only way I'll get it before like July.
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  25. tafkats

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    I will take it when it's available to me, but because of who I am (40 years old, no relevant medical conditions, not in a high-risk job, able to work from home most of the time if I need to), by the time I'm eligible, the whole mess will hopefully be about done.
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  26. Rimjob Bob

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    If I can get my hands on a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine series, sure. If all that's available is a Chinese vaccine like Sinovac or Sinopharm, then we'll wait and see.

    There's really no urgency as Covid is no longer a health danger in China where I live. But as a means to travel freely again, or as required by an employer, I imagine it will be prudent to get the shots sooner or later.
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  27. The Esquire of Gothos

    The Esquire of Gothos The Squire of Gotham

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    I wonder IF the Coronavirus vaccines will work at all against that new strain of the virus that originated from the UK?
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    It hasn't altered in the mRNA sequence the vaccine is based on, so no reason why it shouldn't.

    I'll take it, though am likely way down the list. Mum just got told she's booked in for hers on Friday :)
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  29. StarMan

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    Of course I'll take it.

    Roll out of the vaccine down here is scheduled to beginning rolling out in 3 phases, beginning the end of march. I'll be at the back of the line. My partner (asthmatic) and mother (65+) will both get their shots before me, probably mid-late 2021.

    If we can keep the community covid free while we roll out the vaccination program ... *crosses fingers*
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  30. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    The Orange County, California website is so convoluted that it takes a teenager to navigate it. Luckily, my grand nephew fits the bill. He managed to get appointments for my sister (his grandmother), her ex-husband and his girlfriend and was immediately tasked with getting appointments for others in the immediate circle who qualify.
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