Women don't pay taxes. We must fix that.

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by gturner, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,634
    Research finds that as a group, only men pay tax

    Legions of feminists will ferociously type smash the patriarchy! at their Internet rallies, calling out for the end of the male supremacy in all spheres of life. Yet, few of them acknowledge the fact that one of these spheres, the government (the institution granting them rights), is entirely supported by male taxpayers. Economically, women cost more to the state than they benefit. Put another way, the government (or men) is literally paying women to be alive. Strong independent women are only that way because the state is transferring money from men to them. Feminists are not seriously against being dependent on men, they are just against men having the full control over their money.

    The real gender gap: the tax gap

    While the 77¢ for a dollar wage gap has been under the spotlight for the past years, the 200¢ for a dollar tax gap has, to my knowledge never been mentioned, at least not by our supreme feminist leaders Barack Obama and Justin Trudeau. A quick glimpse at the data reveals a massive difference in taxes paid by men and women.



    [​IMG]
    The first thing that comes to mind is that half of women might be at home raising kids. However, the workforce participation rate gap between men and women doesn’t seem to exceed 10% in either age group. (see figure 4 in source)

    The second thing that may come to mind as a confounding factor is that women spend more for children in education and health. Nope. No support for that either. Men and women spend approximately the same amount in both education and health (see figure 10 and 11 of the source).

    In nearly all age groups, women receive more tax than they give

    With the exception of the age group between 45-59 (a 15 year span) years old, women cost more to the state than the tax they provide. In contrast, men generate more tax revenue than they cost between 23 and 65 (a 43 year span). In the brief period in which women generate more or as much tax money than they consume, men outscore them by at least 3 times.

    [​IMG]

    By the end of her life, the average woman will have a negative fiscal impact of $150,000

    By large, the cumulative tax money given to women outweighs the tax money generated by women. The short period of positive impact of women between 45 and 59 is countered by 65 other years in which their allocated tax expenditure is more than what they supply the state.

    [​IMG]

    Men, on the other hand, appear to have a positive cumulative net fiscal impact from approximately 40 until 80 years of age. For these particular taxes and public expenditures, the net fiscal incidence on men is approximately zero when cumulated over all ages. (p. 22)

    Overall, the research suggests that male taxpayers are the only ones to ever have a positive contribution in taxes. Based on Figure 17, the closest that the average woman will come to having a positive fiscal incidence is when she is at minus $50,000 around 55 years of age. While feminists are demonizing men for benefiting from all liberties and rights they have constructed, they have oddly remained silent over the fact that anonymous male tax payers are paying women to exist. Read that sentence again.

    The fact that feminists want a stronger government is not a coincidence. While historically, women had to choose a wealthy husband for resources, they can now stay single, be lesbians, marry a poor man, or use the sperm bank, and the state will still transfer male taxes to them. Interestingly, within 10 years of women’s suffrage, the government doubled their tax revenue and expenditure in the USA. The government has somehow become the new providing husband, by taking money from anonymous men who have no say about their money. While women are still strongly financially dependent on men, men are simply unable to use the money they make for their own interests.

    These findings show just how simplistic the notion of privilege is. While men make more on average, it allows women to have access to education, health, and services. The patriarchy is pretty generous after all :^)

    I expect liberals to jump right on this. :bailey:
    • TL;DR TL;DR x 3
  2. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373
    So many words, and I read none of that :)

    :dst:
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Winner Winner x 2
  3. markb

    markb Dirty Bastard

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2004
    Messages:
    6,614
    Location:
    NYC
    Ratings:
    +4,959
    I do believe that we should institute TK's Minefield. Lock 'em all in and let 'em gibber at each other.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Ratings:
    +26,982
    You did way better than me; I suffered through several lines of it. Basically, he's angry at women for earning less money, on average, than men, and doesn't know what 'literally' means.
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
  5. Mrs. Albert

    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2005
    Messages:
    23,301
    Ratings:
    +10,573
    Don't be hatin' cause we live longer than you. :walz:
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Love Love x 1
  6. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,634
    Income disparities don't account for it. Women just don't pay taxes. They're a net drain on the government, coming to minus $150,000 per woman. As far as liberal talking points go, they are walking red states, sucking money from the government and not paying in.

    Given how much that kind of behavior enrages liberals, surly they'll start screaming that women are freeloaders and cheats who refuse to support government programs.
    • Dumb Dumb x 2
    • Fantasy World Fantasy World x 1
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 1
  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373
    I'm glad you admit that red states depend on welfare, though :cool:
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
  8. Aenea

    Aenea .

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,085
    Ratings:
    +5,871
    :lol:

    I actually get what your getting at. As someone who doesn't see the wage gap because I believe women choose professions of less importance but greater impact let me say this is laughable.


    We put more into the world as mothers than men do as "mothers". Don't get me wrong some men do, but most stick to the male line of parenting.

    Men and women are different. So there roles should be tailored to their strengths. It's just that women's strengths weren't valued till we tried to be valued and society realized its mistake in not recognizing the role of the primary care giver, which is historically female...for a reason.

    It is our strength, after all only we can withstand the pain and embarrassment of childbirth then spend a year to two years feeding that child from our own body. :bergman:
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Love Love x 1
  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    52,640
    Ratings:
    +36,006
    ^Wish I could rep that more than once! :techman:
  10. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,634
    Yes, but you're not paying in to the tax system. What we should probably do is pile some taxes on things like childbirth, breast milk, and vacuuming. We can't just have a large segment of society going about their lives without getting their bank accounts cleaned out to support important initiatives like sending arms to ISIS, overthrowing the Libyan government, or giving US technology to Putin. Those are all issues important to women, and they should be taxed to help pay for them. :bailey:

    I mean, what do you tell people? "It's okay, I have two boys and girl. Based on in depth analysis, my boys will one day pay our taxes for all four of us!"

    The article is right to question whether a large part of the gender gap in party affiliation is because women are getting money from the federal government while men are paying money to the federal government. It might come down to which side of the check you sign. :garamet:
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 2
    • TL;DR TL;DR x 1
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
  11. Aenea

    Aenea .

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,085
    Ratings:
    +5,871
    :lol:

    Hahahah you don't think I pay taxes. You're cute. Like Storms little brother cute. :wub:
  12. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,634
    Perhaps you do, but it's apparently not enough to cover all the other women who are charging more than they're paying.

    And let's just go straight to the issue. How much income to pole dancers actually report?
    • Dumb Dumb x 1
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 1
  13. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2006
    Messages:
    8,310
    Ratings:
    +15,700
    Ask your mom
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. Aenea

    Aenea .

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,085
    Ratings:
    +5,871
    :lol:

    You're kinda cute little storm :wub:
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    42,938
    Ratings:
    +27,773
    Even if you feel tempted to, there is still a solution. Just click on the link he posts. In 90% of case it'll either take you to a random blog or a tabloid.
  16. Federal Farmer

    Federal Farmer Anti-Federalist

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    25,109
    Location:
    Far From Home
    Ratings:
    +18,541
    Don't feed the troll.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Ratings:
    +26,982
    In what sense is mothering less important (other than in terms of being paid less, which would lead straight back to the wage gap)?
    • Agree Agree x 2
  18. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373
    I'm assuming she means society as a whole views it as "less important."

    Dunno how it is in Germany, but the Democrats/liberals alienated a lot of stay at home moms with their shaming for not working back in the 90s. Because Murica has no health care, very little in the way of affordable child care and no measurable maternity leave for all practical purposes, there are a lot of one-income household that exists out of necessity.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Ratings:
    +26,982
    Yes, but if we don't agree with society in this, it becomes an argument for seeing, rather than denying, the wage gap.

    We do have similar arguments, but I get the impression they are much less vehement here. Politically, they mostly play out in debates about how to allocate social spending. For instance, publicly funded kindergarten has been criticised by conservatives as favouring working parents; so they add payments to help stay-at-home parents to balance that, etc. And I do mean 'parents', not 'mothers', the latter measure especially has made it much more common for men to stay at home to raise kids.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  20. Aenea

    Aenea .

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,085
    Ratings:
    +5,871
    Its not actually. However our society (America) continually looks down on stay at home moms.

    "Oh you're a stay at home mom, it must be so nice to just keep the house clean and watch the children. I would be so bored with that."

    I have heard the above quote, lived the above quote, and been programmed by the American society to be so stupid as to actually think (and I shudder to think), and may have uttered some of it. The bored part at least.

    I had two parents who worked all the time. I saw what my mom put up with in corporate America of the 90's. I was a latch key kid. Its just lucky I lived 15 minutes by car from literally any of my friends and the closest convenient store, or I would have probably turned out completely different. If my mom hadn't felt that working was more meaningful, and she had been made to feel staying at home was being less of a woman, my childhood from the age of 8 would have been different. (before that she farmed and went back to college)

    Is that changing? Somewhat over here. We have dads that stay at home, which is awesome. We have moms who are embracing the impact they have on the world by raising their kid rather than letting a babysitter or the Tv do it. But we have also grown up thinking the only way to survive is to have a two person income.

    If you want to parent better you have to be present. It is still in the majority of the time that when it comes to taking a part time job it is the woman who does. And that is a lot of the wage gap.

    And my above comment was about choosing things like teaching or daycare. Our society (America) sees them as less important, when in fact they have more impact.

    In this country teachers are paid lip service. Society loves to brag about teaching till the kids start failing, instead of looking inwards and the fact that our parents no longer parent and that is the problem, society says teachers aren't doing their job. Let's up the standards for average kids and tell them they are failing if they aren't cut out to be advanced students. (which is a lot of the standards)

    How about instead let's look to the past. What made it the greatest generation? Could it be that more kids were brought up by a stay at home parent? No it could never be us a society that is the problem its these damn lazy kids (millennials) and teachers that let them get away with being lazy.

    (I had also been drinking last night and wasn't as clear as I could have been. I was also typing on my phone so long posts were not going to happen. :diacanu: )
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Love Love x 1
  21. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373
    Some of the rabid backlash about SAHMs that existed even as recently as ten years ago, I think, comes in part to the fact that until the 70s women for all practical purposes couldn't work after marriage. I have neighbors that met in the 1960s Air Force and the wife was forced to separate after they were married. Stewardesses were also canned after marriage or when they hit the ripe ol' retirement age of 32 :soma:

    @garamet has described on many occasions how ridiculously sexist work environments were when she came of age. One of her married co-workers, who never wanted to have kids, faked a sob story about infertility to get hired. Hell, even when my mom was pregnant with me in 1985 and unmarried (like 90 percent of women in Oakland :rolleyes: ), her employers suggested she have an abortion and eventually sacked her when she began to show.

    Given such stories it's not a surprised that the SJW prototypes were screeching at women for choosing motherhood over a "real career." But the thing is: it's a choice now. It's not a social mandate to be a homemaker. Hell, as Aenea said, we're got straight men staying at home as the women move up in their careers and women making a killing with online companies that they can run while staying home with the kids.

    I do think the pendulum is swinging back close to the center as the millenials and younger Gen Xers who grew up with working moms as the norm are pushing for models close to what literally every other country in the world is offering as far as time off for childbirth. When Japan of the 6am to 12 am work schedule has better maternity/paternity leave policies than we do, there's a problem.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  22. Tererun

    Tererun Magical Girl

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    17,914
    Location:
    South Florida watching the meandering dead
    Ratings:
    +12,186
    @gturner did your mommy ground you, or did she charge too much for sex last night? She must have done something to trigger this misogynist hallucination.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Love Love x 1
  23. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    36,976
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,036
    This is likely more of an income thing and the fields people decide to go into rather than a sex or gender thing.
  24. gturner

    gturner Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    19,572
    Ratings:
    +3,634
    Or you've sort of been trolled. The research paper is titled:

    The Distribution of Income and Fiscal Incidence by Age and Gender: Some Evidence from New Zealand

    Abstract:
    This paper examines the age and gender dimensions of income distribution and fiscal incidence in New Zealand using Household Expenditure Survey (HES) data for 2010 and a non-behavioural micro-simulation model.
    I was wondering if anyone would point that out. :bailey:
    • TL;DR TL;DR x 1
  25. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Ratings:
    +26,982
    At what point do we have a serious responsibility to try and get him help?
    • Funny Funny x 1
  26. K.

    K. Sober

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Ratings:
    +26,982
    Thank you for sharing.

    My own childhood was pretty much the flip side of yours in this respect; my mother stayed at home and hated it and to an extent everyone involved.

    It still seems to me that you're describing one half of the wage gap -- women doing important jobs that aren't appropriately valued nor paid. That then repeats in the workplace, even in the same jobs that men do.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  27. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373
    That's just it. Like Aenea mentioned earlier, the onus on rearranging one''s work schedule to accommodate kids still falls largely on the shoulders of women. So in a way, it does fall along gender lines.
    • Agree Agree x 3
  28. Tererun

    Tererun Magical Girl

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2014
    Messages:
    17,914
    Location:
    South Florida watching the meandering dead
    Ratings:
    +12,186
    I think he is beyond help. Given the US doesn't put semi dangerous psychotic in rubber rooms anymore they would just put him in another outpatient program and the public gets to face the consequences of him going off his meds.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  29. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 light & lethal

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    70,335
    Location:
    Georgia, USA
    Ratings:
    +26,402
    "Stewardesses were also canned after marriage or when they hit the ripe ol' retirement age of 32 :soma:" - Anna

    32? 32? 30 fucking 2? :huh: 32 is the PRIME AGE of a woman! Damn what were they thinking? :drama: Most of the hottest women on this planet are in their 30's. :fap:
    That is some straight - up BULLSHIT!



  30. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Trolling No Jutsu Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    37,676
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +43,373