Dont pay for fire service, watch your house burn

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The problem is your rectum being so stretched out that your head slides up there without lube. The logical solution is to disallow living under an umbrella of protection for which you refuse to pay.

WF, where paying a portion of property and/or sales taxes for fire protection (largely unfelt by the taxpayer) is PUNITIVE!!!!!! , but ponying up the same amount as a discrete payment is THE WAY THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

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This is why I said people who refuse to pay for services like this shouldn't be allowed to live in communities that offer them. Freeloading assbags are not permitted in Albertopia.

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Great idea. I'll do that with my car insurance. Don't get any and if I'm in an accident call em up tell them I'll pay my monthly or even annual premium plus my $500 deductible and I'm good to go.

Now I can buy my 50" plasma tv.


Think that would work? Think the insurance company could survive with ghat business model? Then why should a gov't function try and survive on that model?

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This is hickville, not a crowded city. Fires are not the same threat out there.

I think you'll find that most of us here wish that the county in question had a tax-payer provided Fire Service, but don't let me harsh your rant.

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There are these things called lawsuits, where you can sue people for not paying you for a service when they've agreed to. And before you say that there wouldn't be any proof of an agreement or an amount, then that would be the operator's fault for not recording the conversation, as is SOP for pretty much every emergency response center.

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And protracted lawsuits are great for a municipal fire department's budget.

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Yeah, that really makes sense to spend 3,000 bucks to hire an attorney to sue someone over $600.

I'm pretty sure that since my company, which is an LLC can't sue or defend ourselves against a lawsuit without an attorney (by LAW) that a government agency won't be able to just send the chief to court.

Thinking that a lawsuit to collect $600 bucks is a good idea shows a lack of understanding. That would simply cost more than it brings in.

Perhaps I'm missing something but I'm unfamiliar with the folks on WF who cry over taxes paid for services rendered (except maybe Albert)

the hue and cry is, in my experience, over taxes paid for (a) wasteful purposes; or (b) redistribution of wealth (almost always the latter)

perhaps you could direct our attention to those posters who bitch loudly about taxes paid which provide police and fire protection, the military, and other essential government functions?

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I don't object to paying for my own benefits. I object to being made to pay for other peoples' benefits. I just don't abide people who don't share in my belief that you should earn your own fucking keep.

Garamet once again, misses the operative point...that in the discrete payment model that is prevelant in this case, each user has a Choice as to whether or not they make the purchase. I've not heard much about any opt-out taxes.

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Heck. I don't even mind helping pay (some) for certain, justifiable benefits for others. It does help my attitude considerably if those people are doing their best to help earn their way, though.

We ought to have a female strawman icon just for garamet, though. This particular one is a standard of hers.

Or perhaps you can explain why a discrete fee, in the same amount as a hidden tax, where the consequences of not paying affect more than this one individual homeowner, is a Much Kewler Thing.

You're a renter. What if your landlord refuses to pay his fee? Why should you suffer? If it's incorporated into his property taxes, he doesn't even know it's there. But if it's something that he's aware he has to shell out every year, he's going to balk. Your apartment's gutted, his insurance covers the loss, he gets to say "Fuck you" to you, the insurer, and the municipality.

That's not even addressing the concerns raised upthread about children, pets, etc.

What if two next-door neighbors refuse to pay, and the fire spreads from one house to the next, and then to a third neighbor's house? The third neighbor may have paid, but by now the fire is much larger and harder - and more expensive - to control.

All this so that WF can play

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Who are you talking to, garamet? There's no one there? Are you seeing fictional Anarcho-Capitalists in the closet again?

Where I live we pay for garbage services, fire, and police in the various taxes charged to us by the city, county and state. That isn't enough though because none of our elected officials are capable of living within a budget. Some of our communities also charge an additional fee for trash collection.

Some cities and communities have also adopted ordinances that charge additional fees for emergency services for those who use their services or need their services.

That's precisely the point. It's typical WF "I DON' WANNA!!!!" that plays so nicely on a message board where no one has to think of Real Life consequences.

You're right. There's no one here. This thread is too incredible to be anything other than a troll.

Now, let's all play "garamet doesn't know what she's talking about" because none of you can address the Real Life implications raised by those who don't worship at the Church of St. Ayn.

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Per the OP, that's the way it works here. I pay an annual fee of $60, in lieu of being billed for a run after the fact. I've been known to drop em a case of soldiers if they've had an especially rough run on account of me.

As for watching it burn, considering that one of our local volunteers fucking died a run couple of years back, I'll let the men that suit up decide if some building and a couple of varmints are worth their lives.

Or is this another case of a bunch of arm chair generals telling the men that actually don the uniform how to conduct themselves?

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Where are you seeing that? All this thread seems to be about is the means by which those men should be paid.

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No no, firefighters are heroes. It's the people who agree with them who are the monsters.

'atta girl. Now take a hike.

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I know I'm going to regret bothering at all, so I'll be brief.

The difference between rolling it into property tax and charging everyone the same flat fee is that taxes are progressive and impose a higher cost for the exact same service on some people. I'm sure you have no problem with that, but others disagree.

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Every once in a while something comes along to remind you once again of the great paradox that is the USA. So advanced, so beautiful, so open and free, generally a force for good in the world... and yet in some ways so retardedly backward. And this is one of the latter examples.

In no other nation in the fucking western world would this happen.

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Is that supposed to impress someone? When did "something for nothing" get elevated to an enlightened virtue?

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You (assuming I was talking to you) mean the first page chest thumping about the fact these guys didn't put out the fire and save the pets?

But no, everything's about you darlin'

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Upon reassesment considering the additional information, (such as him having them out previously for bullshit reasons and apparently the stupid kid ignoring a burn ban), I've concluded that the services that are offered for a fee of 75 per annum and 500 per instance is indeed fair and the lossees have lost of their own accord. His story of "forgetfulness" is spotlighted as bullshit with the release of this additional information.

I have always had a deep respect for firefighters and LEOs and tend to look at their positions as a community betterment and fail to take into account the make a buck angle. My bad.

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No, the thread is about the petty enjoyment of the suffering of others.

The meaningless ideologies are just the excuse.

Oh well, whaddya expect?

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Speaking only for myself, there is a HUGE fucking difference between enjoying the suffering of others, and refusing to accept vapid emotional appeals as a claim to valuable goods and services.

"Earn your keep" is not a meaningless ideology. In fact, I challenge you to come up with one that's more worthy.

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Well, no one's talking about the service being free, so, I don't know where this "vapid emotional appeals", as a substitute for currency stuff is coming from.

You do what's right, then work out a way to pay for it if it hasn't been, you don't sit and watch the world burn down.

"Leave me the fuck alone".

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From the idea that they should've done the "compassionate" thing and worried about getting paid later. That's fine when you're talking about a choice made by a private enterprise, but imposing that on a public service basically amounts to stealing from your neighbors.

What's "right" is paying the fucking $75. Short of that, it's getting your damned pets out of the house. Given that guy's established pattern of behavior, I'm not all that sympathetic. Asshole very obviously expected to receive the service for free.

Hey, I agree. I'll even encorporate it. "Leave me the fuck alone as long as I'm earning my keep and leaving you the fuck alone."

But they sure did leave this dude the fuck alone, now didn't they?