Kirk got his ass owned11iiii!!IIII

Agreed. Thats why I can;t stand either of those fuck tards.

Seriously, right?

"All of this has happened before...."

I think Mikey Kikey gets a hard on when he thinks about me.

God, I'd forgotten how stupid Alpha Romeo could be.

"Kirk got his ass... by Anna."

Otters of the?

And I did what to you exactly?

Did you just call someone a kike?

Alfa fuck off. Why don't you crawl back into whatever asshole you crawled out of.

Glad to see you're still making sense.

"Just"? He's sucked onto one of WF's favorite memes and uses it every chance he gets.

"You're not of the Body!" That's all it takes, really.

It's funny...most of my political beliefs are moderate to somewhat liberal. I was once a pretty staunch conservative but realized there is nothing to be gained by extremism. So "Not being of the body" isn't entirely accurate.

And I recall many a good wrangle with you over at TBBS.

What I meant was that some Wordforgers are easily threatened by "outsiders," and they react to your mere presence with posts like #246 and #250.

Just watch how they react to this post.

Point of order (at the risk of being accused of dogpiling here): How does one go from "staunch conservative" to "somewhat liberal" as a result of deciding extremism isn't a good idea? There's got to be more to the story that that.

Hey you want to see group think in action, look at the way I got dogpiled in the presidential gun control report thread.

You weren't dogpiled on. You were called on your statements for believing there are reasonable means for denying people their 2nd Amendment rights.

Uh no...I suggested that there might be reasonable ways to keep the Loughners of the world from getting guns (after I said I wouldn't waste my time advocating any and politicians shouldn't either) and then

Easy...I grew up.

In all seriousness by somewhat liberal I meant that I'm more of a social moderate that leans slightly liberal. For example I support gay marriage, support the court's interpretation of abortion rights. At the same time I hate the tax code and would prefer we nuke the shit out of our problems in the middle east.

I'm equal opportunity in that regard.

As was pointed out, the above is impossible. Criminals will always find a way to get guns. Gun laws do nothing other than to block the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding citizens. We have plenty of gun laws on the books and guess what people like Loughner will still find a way to get guns.

There are. Listen Kirk you're an intelligent guy and no one will deny you that. Your debating style is laughable, but that's not the issue here. There is no limit to the second amendment via gun control laws or the like. Can you not admit that given procedural due process and a set standard gun control laws are a good thing?

Sorry, but gun control laws do nothing to prevent criminals from getting firearms. It hinders and prevents law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Then you're not really that far off the "mainstream" here. In fact, when you throw in your position on abortion rights, you're more mainstream here than I am. You may have moved but it seems to me you've moved in line with the rest of WF.

Criminals aren't going to follow the laws regardless. As for the average citizen: it depends what you're taklking about. The law saying they can't have a MAC10 or an UZI has no impact on the second amendment at all. There is nothing preventing them from bearing arms. The constitution says nothing about being allowed to bear any arm you choose...only that you're allowed to bear arms.

It is none of the government's business what types of firearms one has. The government does not have the right to pick and choose what choices we should have. Which is what you are promoting.

PS, maybe you should visit the Red Room instead of sticking to the Gray Room.

I dunno, g. AR's position is kind of shaky on this one. It's an interesting tack but he's pulling that one out of his butt.

No I'm not...

The entire "I needz my gunz or my dick will fall off!!11!" argument is extrapolated from the original meaning of the Second Amendment to begin with.

Oh how typical of an elitist like you. The right to keep and bare arms has nothing to do with needs. As to your statement of original meaning, that is nothing more than leftist rhetoric and propaganda. The Constitution is quite clear about the right. It's a shame you lack the intelligence to comprehend it.