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  1. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Wow - just wow. I'm speechless.

    Posted: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:36 pm
    Bottled-water purchase leads to night in jail for U.Va. studentBY K. BURNELL EVANS
    Charlottesville Daily ProgressRichmond Times-Dispatch
    When a half-dozen men and a woman in street clothes closed in on University of Virginia student Elizabeth Daly, 20, she and two roommates panicked.
    That led to Daly spending a night and an afternoon in the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail. Her initial offense? Walking to her car with bottled water, cookie dough and ice cream just purchased from the Harris Teeter in the Barracks Road Shopping Center for a sorority benefit fundraiser.
    A group of state Alcoholic Beverage Control agents clad in plainclothes approached her, suspecting the blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water to be a 12-pack of beer. Police say one of the agents jumped on the hood of her car. She says one drew a gun. Unsure of who they were, Daly tried to flee the darkened parking lot.
    "They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform," she recalled Thursday in a written account of the April 11 incident.
    "I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began yelling to not move the car, not to start the car. They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified," Daly stated.
    Charlottesville Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman read Daly's account and said it was factually consistent.
    Prosecutors say she apologized profusely when she realized who the agents were. But that wasn't good enough for ABC agents, who charged her with three felonies. Prosecutors withdrew those charges Thursday in Charlottesville General District Court, but Daly still can't understand why she sat in jail.
    "This has been an extremely trying experience," she wrote. "It is something to this day I cannot understand or believe has come to this point."
    A gents at ABC's regional office in Staunton deferred to the agency's public affairs office in Richmond. Spokeswoman Carol Mawyer would not provide details of the arrest or ABC's investigative procedures, except to say that all agents wear plainclothes and carry metal badges.
    Agents charged Daly with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police, all Class 6 felonies carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines per offense.
    Chapman said he'd never encountered a situation like this in his 34 years of experience.
    "It wouldn't be the right thing to do to prosecute this," he said, noting that no one was hurt during the exchange, which took place around 10:15 p.m.
    Daly incurred the assault charges when she "grazed" two agents with her SUV, according to court records. She drove the SUV past the agents after her front-seat passenger, in a panic, yelled at Daly to "go, go, go" and climbed into the rear of the vehicle to gain space from the men on her side of the car, the records state.
    The woman was on edge after spending the night listening to stories from dozens of sexual assault survivors at an annual "Take Back the Night" vigil on Grounds, said Daly's defense attorney, Francis Lawrence.
    The women dialed 911 as they pulled out of the parking lot to report what was happening and ask whether the agents were police officers. Daly said she was planning to drive to a police station. She stopped the SUV nearby for an agent driving a vehicle with lights and sirens, Chapman said.
    Chapman stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution.
    "You don't know all the facts until you complete the investigation," he said.
  2. Zombie

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    Each one of them should be disciplined.

    Idiots.
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  3. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Just part of the nation-wide plan to get as many people as possible arrested. If you're not in The Jail Report yet, you will be eventually.
  4. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Each one of them should be fucking fired. Ill-trained morons . . .
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Lucky for her it wasn't iced tea and Skittles...
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  6. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Edited for better analogous correlation.
  7. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    ...to your desperate need for this to be true.
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  8. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Heads need to roll. As far as I'm aware, there is no immediate physical danger associated with an underage person buying alcohol that justifies enforcement agents springing into action against it with weapons drawn.

    What's wrong with walking up to the woman, showing a badge, and telling her what it's all about? "Good evening, ma'am. I'm agent Rod Buttershaft of Alcohol Beverage Control and we have reason to suspect you are underage and have illegally purchased alcohol. Would you mind showing us what you bought?"

    Even if she were guilty of something (and it turns out she wasn't), such force--including the handling of deadly weapons--was not justified.
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  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Agree 100%.

    ...by people carrying badges. Wannabe cops acting on their own recognizance, however...
  10. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Only if a vicious black thug is trying to murder them. :diacanu:
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  11. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    White thugs will be detained with as little violence as possible?
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  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    [John Castle]"Fuck you for playing the race card!!!"[/]
  13. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Silly, there are no white thugs, only white youngsters out being mischievous. :jayzus:
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    ABC in Alabama are notorious for being the most heavy handed law enforcement agency in the state, which is saying a lot.

    They raided a college bar in Mobile IN RIOT GEAR AND WITH ARs AT LOW READY.

    They have a thing for being as public as possible. Love setting up a sting on a server then raiding the place during peak business hours and leading them out through the dining room in handcuffs.

    Fuck them. Fuck them all.
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  15. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Virginia's ABC is no better. The state even has the monopoly on distilled spirits. ABC owns all of the liquor stores.
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  17. John Castle

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    ...should go buy badges, and then in your eyes their violence will be perfectly justified. Right? Because a badge excuses all, apparently.
  18. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Wrong.
  19. John Castle

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    So if having a piece of stamped tin doesn't make this kind of thing acceptable behavior for everybody, what makes it acceptable behavior for government employees? Is it the mere fact that they're government employees that makes their thuggery acceptable in your eyes?
  20. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    No one here has said it's acceptable for government employees. If that's what you thought I was saying, get back to me when you're sober.

    Or are you just revving up for another Friday Night on Wordforge?
  21. John Castle

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    Well, we can take you at your word that you think it's not okay for such acts by people carry badges, but that it's another matter (i.e. acceptable) for vigilantes to do such things.

    Or we can interpret that post as sarcastic, in which case the parties you approve and disapprove of engaging in such acts is reversed. Which would mean you approve of thuggery when it's committed by government employees.

    Of course, you could have avoided any confusion at all by not trying to be several orders of magnitude more clever than you actually are.

    Maybe that will be difficult for you to puzzle out, so I'll say it more plainly: Stop trying to be clever. You're not clever.
  22. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    That's a start. Are you there yet?

    Because Paladin got what I was saying. So apparently did everyone else, because you're the only one who went all Homer Simpson. Let me break it down for you:

    What ABC (the guys with the badges) did was essentially pull a Zimmerman, and with equivalent provocation. The only difference is, the girl lived to tell about it.

    Now go ahead and do your Friday Night at Wordforge thing.
  23. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Silly, there is no trend of packs of blacks beating and robbing whites, only "isolated incidents"......dozens of them. I'm sure Eric Holder will be all over it though.
  24. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Is being black a prerequisite?
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    You tell me. Do packs of whites go around bum-rushing and robbing and beating black families? Trust me....if they did, we'd all hear about it 24/7 and Obama and Eric Holder and the whole gang would be on it like stink on shit. Please attempt to tell me I'm wrong with a straight face. Please tell me there is no media and/or social double standard so I can get a good laugh before I go to bed.
  26. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yep. They even have uniforms:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
  27. Prufrock

    Prufrock Disturbing the Universe

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    ^
    You disingenuously cut out his next sentence.

    I don't think I've heard about the KKK on the news for years, and even then it was for historical perspective.
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  28. Zombie

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    Of course she cut it. She does that all the time. She's one of the most unethical posters on this board.
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  29. John Castle

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    No, that's you still pretending to be clever when you aren't.
  30. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I disagree.

    She is THE most unethical poster on the board.