Candle light vigil for....nope, sorry, thanks for playing.

I'm sorry but this part here....

..negates any sympathy for her. She took part in breaking in to someone's else home and then when caught by the occupant proceeded to attack him. She didn't even care about the fact that the guy was 80 years old. What kind of hero was she by attacking an elderly man?

Had he not had the gun who knows what would have happened to him. Screw her. She shouldn't have taken part in the robbery nor the assault. She got what she deserved. You don't smack a grizzly bear in the face and then play nice when it shows its teeth. That's just not very smart.

Had he shot her while they physically attacked him we wouldn't be complaining nearly as much.
He shot her when she was running away. That's not self-defense.

By all means, share with us your wealth of experience cruising underage boys in park bathrooms.

For all he knew, they were running to retrieve weapons they had left inside their getaway vehicle, or to get an armed accomplice that was waiting outside the home acting as a lookout. He was in fear for his life after being brutally & savagely attacked by criminals that may have been under the influence of drugs.

Take opinion opposite everyone in thread...

Run with it...

How about two people break into your house? Maybe if they call ahead, you can put all your stuff out on the lawn for them.

Really? What species is a human zygote?

Yes you would. Anytime a homeowner protects themselves from intruders with a gun the left goes ape shit.

I don't care. She still attacked an 80 year old man in his own home. That's assault. She shouldn't have even been in the house but at the very least she should have ran the moment he came home. Her and her accomplice didn't do that. Like most bullies, they attacked the old man when they knew he had no chance and ran like cowards when he brought out an equalizer.

Exactly. There's self defense, and then there's bloodlust.

Self-defense doesn't mean what you think it means.
He wasn't under any threat by the time he decided to shoot her.

Yeah, this was not self defense. At the point she said "don't shoot" he could have -- moreover should have -- called the cops and held her until they got there. And shooting her in the back? Now that was just yella.

Obviously you don't understand what "I don't care" means. I know what the legal definition of self defense is and this guy will probably go to jail for it. I still think she got what she deserved. That's all I'm saying.

Ah, internet tough guy.

Sorry, I'm new. I still need to remember all the generic conservitards' names.

You're slipping.

Typical ideologue........When someone disagrees with your view you resort to insults. How original.

Are you 80 years old? Did somebody just physically assault you after breaking into your house? How would you have handled it?

Anyway, here's the Liberal happy-ending turn this thing upside-down view:

the guy has pity on Ozzie and Harriet (I'm sure they have clean criminal records) and puts his gun down.
They continue to assault him and take his weapon and kill him with it. Or perhaps just beat him into a coma.
Then they continue to ransack his home. Later on that night while hitting the crack-pipe (or meth if they are white) they realize crime is bad, and give all their stolen property to poor kids, and never commit another crime again - and the baby grows up to be best President we would ever have.

And this 80 year old geezer messed everything up for all of us. Damn you Chinese for inventing gunpowder!

How do I handle people who are running away from me?
I guess I watch them run?

Seriously. I will never cease to be amazed by some people's desire to sympathize with criminals who wouldn't be dead had they not been committing crimes.

The 80 year old man was white so if the criminals were black you can bet that Al Sharpton and his merry band of muppets will be descending on L.A real soon.

Yes, watch them run to get weapons or perhaps come back later on to finish the job. Fuck this couple - the second you break into a house you have made your decision. And people say anything when they are scared. Was she pregnant or not? Is it Mister Rogers behind that door or a murderous 300 pound ex MMA fighter on PCP?
This could have all been avoided by not breaking into a home and assaulting somebody. You think an 80 year old cares if he gets put away? He might not live until his trial anyway. My pity meter isn't even budging with this case.

I will sometimes go for "the extra mile" as an option. But in this case, "the extra mile" was holding one of the perpetrators at gunpoint until police arrived. What this old feller indulged in, at the point he indulged in it, was plain old revenge for the beating they gave him. I can forgive that, but I can't excuse it, if y'all see the distinction.

Oh, yes. They broke into his house, waiting for him to notice them, and viciously ran away from him... at him... or something.

I'm not giving him a clean bill for shooting somebody in the back, but come on. You know they did more to him than just run away from him.

You do know that the longer you hold somebody at gunpoint the better their chance of fucking you up? Plus there were two people - odds are good their reflexes are better than an 80 year old. Maybe the 80 year old is just a total dick. I can't put myself in his shoes, but I sure as hell can't put myself in the robbers' shoes. I might be 80 some day, but I won't break into houses. If I did I'd expect eventual opposition and gun play.
Maybe this couple should stick to robbing gun-free zones like Chuck E. Cheese or something.

They're still not faster than his trigger finger. The whole point of holding someone at gunpoint and waiting for police is to stop them -- at minimum you slow them down hopefully long enough that cops see them running and engage pursuit. The point remains that unless they make a move toward you, you can't claim self defense when you pull the trigger. Not legally, and not really in agreement with your conscience.

No argument there. My point, though, remains -- if they're not attacking, you're not defending. If they stop attacking and start running, nothing you do at that point is defense anymore, just revenge. And I get how he would want revenge. He was beaten up, stolen from, humiliated by two young shitheads. I completely get it, and I sympathize with him. But sympathy or not, he wasn't defending himself when he pulled that trigger.

Maybe he just figured they needed killin'. I'd like to see their prior arrests myself. I'm guessing he was probably right in his reasoning. Well this is a chance for the guy who didn't get shot to turn his life around.
HEY! I said that with a straight face and everything.

First, at 80 years the filter is off so his statements are typical old man. Look at Clint Eastwood at the Pub convention.
Second, that woman would still be alive living off the government had she not decided to rob his house.
Third, they attacked an 80 year old man and only stopped when he got the gun. He felt threatened and in the heat of the moment reacted.
I'm not saying he shoulda killed her, but I understand! (Chris Rock)

Hi Garamet!

It's not considered a living human being the same way a 'brain dead' human isn't considered a living human being.

This is one seriously fucked up thread.
At the moment they broke off and ran, the gun did it's job. The moment you decide 'what the hell, I'm gonna plug 'em anyway' you've shifted away from being a defender to being a murderer.

Yet if they were to charge this old man they could charge him with two murders. The woman and the unborn baby.

Clearly the law says the fetus is human enough to bring criminal charges as we've seen in many cases where a person is also charged with the death of the unborn baby.