Hey Dayton, the first step to the Presidency has been taken!

I both love and hate NotDayton.

Don't feel too bad, I almost fell for it too. Half the time I have to check to see if it's Dayton or NotDayton to see who actually wrote it.

I thought there was a rule in place after Tamar posted stuff from actormike's LiveJournal way back in the early days of the board. But in that instance, he linked his own LJ via sig.

Off board stuff has always been a no.

I don't want to stay here. I want something better.

I stand by things like saying premarital sex is the cause of every social problem (and evil) in the United States.

But saying I consider people who get divorces "scum" or that I consider women "incubators" are blatantly false and I notice, no one has tried to back up the claim that I ever said that.

IIRC, there were 67 tweets by the wordforge person who started that account. And don't pretend it wasn't someone from here as ALL of them were either quotes or (more commonly) misrepresentations and outright lies of what I had posted here. Often within a day or two of something similar coming up in thread.

At any rate, out of 67, I counted roughly 30 outright falsehoods. Another 24 severely out of context quotes, the other 13 being more or less accurate.

By any reasonable measure, that and using my picture from Wordforge without my permission constitutes defamation and clear violations of board rules.

I will quote Lanzman from a time when something similar happened with some other members a few years ago.

"I don't give a fuck what happens elsewhere on the Internet."

That might be a paraphrase, but the sentiment is spot on.

I saw the page, and from what I saw only the five you mentioned were something you could say were made up. The rest were things you actually wrote, so you only have yourself to blame. Granted some may have had something extra added on, but they were still copied and pasted from here to Twitter.

As for being out of context, that's fucking semantics. You said it, it was there. And even if the whole post was copied over, what you said still stands out. It doesn't matter if you explained why you smacked your wife, you still did. And adding on an explanation to "Big deal, it happened years ago." doesn't change that you said it wasn't a big deal.

And there isn't any rule that says something from here can't be copied and posted to another website. And that includes pictures, but those pictures can be found elsewhere as well. So that pretty much throws that out the window. The rules say not to use something from a poster's personal sites on here.

If you don't want something to appear online, don't write or post it at all. As much as you want to, you cannot make up rules for WordForge. You do realize you have been told if you don't want it repeated, don't say it for 14 or so years now.

Yep, that pretty much says it right there Dayton.

What.

I'm desperate to know the logic behind that one.

I think he went over that one fairly recently.

If they have something added on then they by definition not simple "cut & pastes"

You seem to know a great deal about the account "Ed".

Suspiciously so.

Yeah, you've pretty much nailed it in this post. Kitchens is doing nothing but squirming over the content of that Twitter feed because, deep down, he knows that it reflects what he's said on here and when he sees it all lined up he doesn't like how it looks. He has argued about context, but how much context do you need with abhorrent comments like "I don't like Jews" and "I find lesbians repulsive"?

The sad thing is that Dayton probably thinks that he has scored some sort of victory in having the account suspended. But, much like the school lawyer that he supposedly bested on a technicality, the real victory would be not to find himself in such messes in the first place. Squirming your way out of unfavorable positions is no grand achievement. But, of course, Dayton's conduct speaks for more than his words. Clearly he does see the fault in many of his remarks and he's worried that others will as well.

As for this....."I don't want to stay here. I want something better.". Well why the buggery bollocks is he still posting here then?? He's signed up to so many other forums, why doesn't he piss off to those and delight them with his "wisdom" instead?

Unlike you, I can read. I read the Twitter page, and almost all of the quotes are in the "Dayton's Greatest Hits" thread. How many times are you going to accuse me of creating that page? If you want to believe I created the page, then go ahead and believe that. But like many, many things you are wrong and have shown yourself to be an incredibly stupid person. Let me illustrate something for you you.

I copied and pasted the above quote, I added the part in bold, it doesn't change that you initially wrote the first part. So it is a copy and paste. Why do you keep on saying that you never wrote something when in fact you did? I understand that the concept of cut and paste is new and amazing to you, but it does not mean you actually understand the basic operation and premise behind it.

And you keep accusing me of creating the PresidentKitchens Twitter page, I have pointed that I didn't. But you keep on accusing me of it. Who's the one defaming someone now?

I looked at that account before it went down and then looked at the "Dayton's Greatest Hits" thread, where plenty of it seems to come from. I agree that it's not cut and paste, however, at most those that aren't direct cut and pastes are otherwise paraphrased quotes. Hardly total fictions or made up lies. I mean, did you and did you not say that you like to marginalise and discard people? Did you or did you not say that your wife beating incident was minor and insignificant? Did you or did you not say that divorced people are inferior to you? If these things aren't direct quotes and it's all about context, what is the contextual difference between what you said and what appeared on the Twitter feed?

I wouldn't take that too seriously. His accusations are probably being taken out of context.... .

He gets the same type of responses on other boards as he does here. But because here the conversation is less sanitized he doesn't get the same level of opposition. He constantly gets trounced on here, but on other boards where warnings are handed out much more rapidly he can play his game of using the mods as weapons and sees that as a victory. Much like the little annoying shit on the playground that pisses off other kids, and runs to the teacher when he's about to get his ass kicked. Dayton uses cowardly methods and claims victory by hiding instead of actually winning anything.

Oh, most definitely. He's a weasel of a man. Sneaks behind peoples' backs. Undermines them without any moral conscience. Causes trouble for them and thinks it's impressive.

That's the lowest kind of human being. The cowardly snide. He should really be embarrassed.

"I don't want to stay here. I want something better" is in reference to wanting a better job. Not referencing wordforge.

I'm not. I find it amusing, especially since his defense is:

Even though he did say that there were a few accounts linked to the PresidentKitchens account, but none of them even belong to me. He can't prove who started, so anyone who says anything about it becomes suspect. Even though he knows more about the account than anyone, even down to the number of posts on it.

Oh please. When have I ever done that?

Hmm, What if the account is actually his and he's trying to stir shit up on here deliberately?

Nah, he'd never be that creative....

"Do you use the moderators as weapons?"

You admitted you purposely goaded people into flaming you so they would get banned. You couldn't defend your ideas and thoughts, so you decied to get rid of them so you wouldn't have to respond to them. That makes you a cowardly weasel, you undermined them because you couldn't defend yourself in a thoughtful or intelligent manner, so you chose a sneaky underhanded trick to get others to simply get rid of the ones you couldn't compete against.

If someone was lying about you wouldn't you want to know exactly what they were saying rather than a simple summary?

By your own admission you troll people into falling on their swords and then run off to the mods in and effort to marginalise and discard them, a tactic you have operating on numerous boards apparently.

So, what about my question above? How were the comments I highlighted taken out of context?

I understood that's what you meant, but as it has been pointed out to you for 14 fucking years at least, stop posting shit that can fuck with your real life. You've been told this over and over, and you keep trying to prove it doesn't by continuing the same shit. And now you're only starting to understand because your wife pointed it out to you.

It's pretty easy to find a lot of the crap you've posted that can come back and bite you in the ass.

Frankly I'd be more bothered about why someone was doing it to me...

How can someone lie about you, when they repeat what you said? Example, you said you don't like Jews. I linked and copied and posted on here the post where you said that. But you called me a liar because you said you don't hate Jews. What other inference can someone take from that?

Why is using rules to your advantage "underhanded", "sneaky", "cowardly", or "weaselly"?

They would be if the people you were using them against had no knowledge of the rules themselves but everyone who posts on a message board knows the rules. They have to agree to them in order to join.

A message board is a form of communication. Following basic rules of conduct set forth by the board owner is pretty vital to that purpose. If people cannot abide by those rules they have no business trying to involve themselves in a discussion.

In political debates, trying to provoke your opponent into a public loss of composure is a well established and time honored tactic. Why would it be different on an internet discussion board?

It's actually a very valuable lesson for someone who one day hopes to win a political office.

Not only does the mere creation of the Twitter account illustrate how Dayton is unable to endear himself to people, but it further shows how easy it is to take his own words and beliefs and use them against him. If he has most people online thinking of him as an odious snake, how in the hell is he ever going to convince people to like him enough for a successful election?

"moral inferiority" does not mean in any way "they are scum". And I'm pretty sure you know the difference.

"minor and insignificant" means entirely different things if it happened yesterday or was 11 years ago. The latter is through the prism and perspective more than a decade elapsing. Again, I'm fairly certain you know the difference regarding that as well.

And I did not take anything you said out of context.

Read about the career of former Dallas Cowboy football players Troy Aikman and Nate Newton. Read about them clearly and with an open mind and the question about scales and challenge will be obvious.

Because when the same happens to you, you bitch and whine. Because if you purposely set out to get someone banned by goading them into get warned then banned, you are not interested in the debate. You are only interested in getting rid of them. If you work with someone, and purposely goad them into violating a workplace rule or rules so they get fired, you are being "underhanded", "sneaky", "cowardly", and "weaselly" because you can't find a way or refuse to find a way to work with them. If someone doesn't agree with you at work, but you use such a way to get them fired then you are a loathsome person because you are acting in an immoral and conscienceless manner. But as you said, you are lazy and always will be. So it's fitting that you will find the laziest way of dealing with anything.