Why Do Our Leaders Have To Harp On How Great Islam Is?

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    It seems that EVERY time the U.S. drops a couple of bombs on some Muslim (majority) country that our President (both Republican and Democrats) have to make a speech waxing on about how Islam is one of the "worlds great religions" and et ceter.

    Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall FDR in his "Day of Infamy" speech talking for 20 minutes about the "greatness, history, and accomplishments" of Japanese culture.

    Isn't it a form of racism to constantly try to "soothe" Muslims?

    Finally, what good does it do?

    Does ANYONE seriously think that the President saying "nice things about Islam" remotely helps ameliorate the cold reality of American bombs falling on Muslims? Devout Muslims at that.

    I think it actually undermines the presidents "war message". I even had a student who watched the presidents speech say "If they're such great guys then why are we bombing them?"
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  2. tafkats

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    It probably does make it easier to form coalitions with Muslim nations, like the various Sunni states that are currently helping us bomb the fuck out of ISIS troops.
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    Ha, got me. Another great NotDayton post!
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  4. The Flashlight

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    It's been the strategy since 9/11 to avoid the appearance that we're waging a holy/religious war. If muzzie nations think we're bombing islam in the name of Jesus, they'll unite against us. Or so the conventional wisdom has gone. So we discredit the terrorists by claiming they're not really representing true islam, and we silence our own small-town christian zealots who want to make a spectacle of burning qur'ans. Personally, I doubt any of our anti-terrorist propaganda works. These animals are folk heroes to the general populace. Generation after generation of muzzies raised to believe America is the great satan aren't going to be convinced that Bin Laden and his later day successors weren't real islamists.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Personally, I don't think more than a small fraction of Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorists.

    But I do think there is a serious undercurrent of admiration for Muslim terrorists among the general populace in many countries with lots of Muslims looking up and respecting them for "being willing to fight" Americans and westerners.
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    Great, you just answered your own question.
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    You're right. We threw the Japanese Americans into concentration camps.
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  8. oldfella1962

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    It must have worked - the Japanese are great at math, and that takes a lot of concentration!
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  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    My point is EVERYBODY knows that. Both Muslims and Americans. There is no need to harp on it in public speeches.

    By the way I think the term "concentration camps" is a bit over the top in regards to the camps for Japanese Americans
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    Sure there is. That's good business. Don't alienate everyone in achieving your goals, such as protecting your interests.

    You know, those same American interests in the Middle East that you've harped on about for years.

    You aren't even trying anymore Dayton. :(
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    IIRC that particular term was first used in reference to British practices in South Africa during the Boer wars. It later became almost exclusively associated with Nazi Germany.

    There were hastily constructed temporary settlements (camps) which served to confine Japanese Americans within a specific area (concentration). What would you call it?
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    California?
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  13. The Original Faceman

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    Fat camp has negative connotations though.
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  14. Dayton Kitchens

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    Relocation camps. Which the whole point was to move Japanese Americans from areas under supposed threat to the Japanese (the West Coast).

    I don't know of any serious proposals by any authorities to kill or openly harm Japanese Americans. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
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    You're just playing with semantics. Japanese Americans were relocated for the purpose of concentration. That's why we are not calling them kill camps or harm camps.

    Lots of American Indians were relocated. Any of them get killed or harmed in the process? :marathon:
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    Then why are concentration camps for American Indians called "reservations"?

    Did they have to call ahead for a room?
  17. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Apparently he didn't like the answer, because he's been yammering about everything except his original premise ever since.
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    How is imprisoning and robbing them not openly harmful?
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    Because the term concentration camp hadn't been coined yet when the practice of sending Indians to reservations began. Because at first designated Indian territories could be as large as the state of Oklahoma, so it didn't feel like the population was being concentrated.

    Feel free to use this stuff in class. I'd like to think your students are learning something. :marathon:
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  20. The Exception

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    Its simple, because people are idiots and have to be reminded of the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists. You say everybody knows this, but if I had a dollar for every time someone called all Muslims terrorists or said that we should turn the Middle East into radioactive glass, we could pay for Wordforge's hosting for a year.
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    Uhhh...
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  22. Aurora

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    Because the percentage of Muslims that need bombing is about the same percentage as 'Christians' that are like Dayton: very, very, very small. Like everybody else, most Muslims couldn't care less about fanaticism. How many are AQ, IS and all those other groups? I'd say under one million all in all. That comes out as a fraction of a thousandth.
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    You already seem to know the answer to your question. It's because while WWII had an outright declaration of war towards Japan and Germany, this isn't an outright war towards Muslims.

    In WWII it was taken as a given that most if not/all Germans and Japanese were the enemy. Therefore you don't have to worry about alienating them.

    In the present most Muslims are against violence and terrorism, but the best recruiting tool extremists have is to be able to point to Western leaders and say "look, they hate us all!"

    So we deny them that. Also from a law and order standpoint, your fellow Muslim citizens are just as valuable and worth protecting as you are, so if political leaders can try to avoid them being stigmatised by association by society at large they are doing well to do so.
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  24. Steal Your Face

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    I don't know and who cares? Why not just ignore it?
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    Yeah, I think that's pretty much the point Quest was making in asking Dayton that question.
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  26. Dayton Kitchens

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    I'm not teaching American History this year. World mainly. And I'm going STRICTLY by the curriculum guide.

    We're drawing pictures next week by the way..............

    Projected insisted upon by the Literacy specialist. Learning by doing......
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    With little to no knowledge of Islam. "Why is this year different than all other years?"

    שנה טובה ומתוקה
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    Who cares, just be glad that he isn't poisoning the students' understanding of their own history.
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    I would have sworn this was NotDayton.
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  30. evenflow

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    To the OP, its just positive reinforcement, the bombing is the slap on the ass that says you can still do better though.
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