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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  2. tafkats

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    Except for the redistricting ruling, which put the kibosh on Republican legislators' effort to regain their ability to manipulate district boundaries to their own advantage.

    I wonder how hilarious the dissents were in that one.
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  3. gturner

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    Actually you could argue that it's a bad month for women who don't want to be injured or killed during a botched procedure. The two elements of the Texas law were that abortion clinics should be as good as walk-in/walk-out surgical clinics, and that the doctors there should have admitting privileges at a local hospital in case some serious complications arise.
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    I have to assume you're not actually stupid enough to believe that line. The regulations aren't medically necessary; their only purpose is to subvert Roe v. Wade by piling so many unnecessary regulations on clinics that they can't afford to remain open.
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  5. gturner

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    If they can't insure the safety of their pregnant patients, why should they be in business? Since the law affects all such clinics, they can just raise their costs, just like other clinics do under Obamacare.
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    The regulations have nothing to do with guaranteeing anyone's safety. That's a smokescreen, and it's such a baldfaced lie that it's a wonder anyone can parrot it with a straight face.

    The Ohio version of this was to require clinics to have "transfer agreements" with a full-service hospital. Completely unnecessary because no hospital would refuse to admit a patient coming in with an emergency; the sole purpose was to give hospitals, many of which are Catholic, veto power over whether a clinic could remain open. Then for good measure, they forbade any hospital run by a public university from entering into such a transfer agreement.

    To argue that it's about "safety" and not a backdoor way to ban abortion is so intellectually dishonest that it's a wonder the proponents' noses aren't long enough to scratch their own asses.
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  7. Diacanu

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    It's okay to lie for Jesus! :discuss:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Someone needs to lock Scalia's liquor cabinet and keep him away from sharp objects for the next little while...
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    Tony Perkins?!?

    I wouldn't take a shower with that guy around...

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    Why do you hate the Constitution?
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    Federal Farmer's butthurt is hillarious.
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    Scalia's Wiki entry. :rofl:

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    I wonder how often that changes back and forth
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    The fact that neither he nor his staff know how to edit it is what's telling.
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    Scalia's dissents are based on the philosophy of judicial restraint, looking at the Constitution's text and the text of the laws and precedents before him to see if they support the case. Roberts philosophy of judicial restraint, in contrast, is to show deference to the elected branches of government and the expressed will of the people, regardless of what clear wording might indicate. Both are conservative, but their visions of "restraint" are at odds.
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  19. Chardman

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    The federal 3-strikes law, which keeps people in prison for years for minor crimes, has just been overturned by the Supreme Court. LINK

    Also: A new poll finds that most Americans approve of the recent Supreme Court decision preserving the health care law's subsidized insurance premiums for people in all 50 states.

    Overall, 62 percent approved, while 32 percent disapproved, said the survey released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
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  20. Order2Chaos

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    There was a federal 3-strikes law?
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    Must have been, because they just overturned it.
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    No.
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    Which has zero bearing on whether the decision was the right one (it wasn't).

    I was never a big fan of three strikes laws myself. They seemed too arbitrary when it comes to sentencing.
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    I wonder if it would still have been an 8-1 vote had the test case not been a gun crime...
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    If the majority of American's opinions have no bearing on whether the decision was the right one, then neither does yours.
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    It's not. A law doesn't have to be federal for SCOTUS to say that it's unconstitutional.
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    So what law did they overturn? And what does this do to other three strikes laws?
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  28. Chardman

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    "the Court struck down the “residual clause” of the federal Armed Career Criminal Act as unconstitutionally vague." The ACCA is most certainly a Federal entity. According to every article I've found thus far, the decision involved... "a federal 'three strikes' statute, which subjects a defendant who is convicted as a felon in possession of weapons, to a fifteen-year mandatory minimum imprisonment sentence if he is found also to have three prior serious drug or violent felony convictions."
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    Notice how Alita was on the wrong side of that one too?
  30. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    That's not a Three Strikes law....at least not one of the ones you think it is. Serious drug or violent felony convictions aren't "minor crimes". This more of a violent felon caught with a gun law, and I'm all for it.