Chattanooga Shooting

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  1. Archangel

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    If you're even marginally computer savvy you could cover your tracks pretty well.

    Either way, ISIS is not the root problem.
  2. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    What is the root problem?
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    He will probably say the Islamic religion. Personally, I would go a step further and say religion in general is the root problem.
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    Too bad he couldn't have stayed in the ME - maybe signed up for a suicide vest quality control job - got blown up (along with the factory) the first day on the job. Hey, a man can dream, right?
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    The US exists.
  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    That is a good point. I've heard lots of people complaining and saying "If the U.S. wasn't involved in the Middle East. If the U.S. wasn't supporting Israel. If the U.S. wasn't buying oil from despotic regimes........" that people overseas would have no reason to hate the U.S. No reason to attack Americans or American targets.

    That is ridiculous. The mere existence of the U.S. is enough to piss off more than a few people overseas.

    And the U.S. was fighting Muslims before the modern state of Israel was even conceived of and before the first oil well was ever drilled.
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  8. Dinner

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    I don't see many people attacking Sweden or Finland.
  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    Two nations combined that are a fraction of the size of the U.S. geographically, demographically or economically.
  10. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You keep saying that, but it's meaningless.
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  11. gturner

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    They're too busy attacking France and Denmark, so they haven't attacked Sweden since the 2010 Stockholm bombings.
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  12. Dinner

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    So what? Israel and Iraq are also much smaller than the US but have lots of terrorist attacks. Your claim that policy isn't important only size is retarded.
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  13. Dayton Kitchens

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    It means a great deal garamet because in the real world size matters.

    If you're the citizen of some obscure country anywhere in the world, which nation on Earth are you more likely to end up having dealings with than any other that is not an immediate neighbor?
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  14. gturner

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    The shooter spent 7 months in Jordan in 2014. I wonder what he was doing when he was there.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Reading your posts and Dayton's and assuming you represented Real Americans?
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  16. gturner

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    Doubtful. Despite how well he would fit in here, I don't think he was a member.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You don't have to be a member to lurk. And unless you've been banned from more boards than Dayton, I doubt this is the only place you spew your rhetoric.
  18. Dayton Kitchens

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    If he wanted to target me he wouldn't go anywhere near a military recruitment center would he?
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  19. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Good thing I never said that.
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    The militias have turned out to protect the recruiting centers.

    Fox DC story

    HIRAM, Ga. -

    The morning after a deadly attack on two military centers in Chattanooga, residents in Hiram are standing watch outside the local recruiting office with their personal firearms. It is their unique way of honoring the fallen Marines and they said to protect the lives of those who serve in the military.

    "I teared up. I think any human being would be touched by what happened yesterday. Any U.S. citizen that has a heart and a soul to hear what had happened," said Crystal Tewellow, who organized the watch.

    Recruiting offices are designated as being "gun-free zones" which means officers working there cannot carry their sidearm into the building. Tewellow, whose son just enlisted and the army and has a brother who is a recruiter, felt compelled to organize the watch.

    "To think the people who are supposed to protect and serve us are unable to protect and serve... protect themselves," said Tewellow. "So if us, the citizens, who carry permits, are able to help protect them that's, that's what we're gonna be able to do."

    News Radio 106.7's Nathalie Pozo was at the recruitment center on Friday morning and reported that about 30 people answered the call to arms.

    Blaze story

    Military members at a Virginia recruitment center noticed a man standing near their building Friday — and he was armed with a loaded AR-15.

    But this man meant them no harm. Instead, following the attacks on military personnel in Chattanooga, he had come to stand guard and protect the servicemen who are prohibited from carrying firearms at the recruitment centers.

    The man, who wished to remain anonymous, told WTTG-TV that he wanted to make a statement on his day off.

    “People need to call their congressmen, they need to call their senators, and they need to change the laws on the books so these guys can protect themselves,” he told the news station.

    The man said he had been warmly welcomed from the individuals at the Winchester recruitment offices, telling WTTG that they had come to visit him, bringing lunch and thanking him for what he is doing.

    “I was received with handshakes and thank you. They came by. And not only did they come by, their wives came by, in tears, thanking me for just being out here,” he told WTTG. “They brought cookies for me. They brought lunch.”
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  22. gturner

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    So I just made those two stories up and cleverly got them posted at news sites. :jayzus:
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    They are not (last time I checked) part of the US. They are not major players on the world stage.
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    Well, that might be her intent, but you can't tell that from the questions she asked.
  26. Dinner

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    You are lying again. The Blaze sure as hell isn't a news site.
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    Sweden at least is a major soft piwer. They just don't go around invading places.
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    They also are under the de facto protection of the United States and NATO.
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    A fifth victim has died.

    Fox News link

    Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith, 24, was one of three people injured when a gunman opened fire at the center, killing four Marines.

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    Smith was shot three times when a gunman opened fire at the Navy Operational Support Center (NOSC) Thursday morning. He was struck in the right arm, back and stomach, family members told a Kansas newspaper, the Salina Journal, according to the Chattanoogan.

    He underwent several surgeries and died around 2:17 a.m. Saturday. His wife and other family members were with him at the hospital when he died.

    Smith was a reservist serving on active duty as a logistics specialist in Chattanooga.

    ...

    Smith grew up in Paulding, Ohio. Beside his wife he leaves behind three young daughters.

    Congressmen are already introducing bills to overturn the law that was interpreted as banning carry by military personnel on federal property unless they were specially authorized military police or on security duty.

    From the Hill

    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) will introduce legislation allowing troops to carry guns on military facilities, in the wake of a shooting in Tennessee that left four Marines dead.

    Johnson's office said the Wisconsin Republican, who chairs the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, will offer a proposal that would get rid of regulatory hurdles prohibiting troops from carrying firearms on military installations.

    The legislation comes in the wake of a shooting Thursday in which 24-year-old Kuwaiti immigrant Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez killed four Marines, including one from Johnson's home state, at two separate military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn., before being killed himself.

    Johnson said his legislation would "better protect our military personnel.”

    “By disarming the Armed Forces, gun-free policies at military facilities have made our men and women in uniform easy targets for terrorist attacks," he added. "Yesterday’s shootings in Chattanooga that claimed the lives of four brave Marines, including Sgt. Carson Holmquist from Grantsburg, Wisconsin, follow similar deadly attacks at Washington, D.C.’s Navy Yard and Fort Hood, Texas."

    Johnson's decision to introduce legislation follows a number of lawmakers calling for troops to be allowed to carry guns on military facilities in the wake of the shooting.

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) said Friday that an annual defense policy bill would "end the disconnect between the threats our warfighters face and their families face and the tools they have to defend themselves."

    The two lawmakers said they had been working on including the provision in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) prior to Thursday's shooting.

    Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) is planning to introduce a bill that would allow military recruiters to carry weapons.

    And Ted Cruz is all over it, too.

    Rand Paul is for restricting immigration from Muslim countries afflicted with rampant jihadism, giving them closer scrutiny before admission, but that wouldn't have done a thing in the Chattanooga shooting because the attacker was of Jordanian and Kuwaiti origin and was admitted when he was a young child.
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    :rolleyes: Just more evidence that Rand Paul is not his father.