Night Club Shooting in Orlando, FL

It murders people like you but doesn't effect YOU so you don't give a fuck.

Next time I drive up to Orlando I'll let the survivors know how bad you have it.

In my "perfect world" every gun owner takes safety classes and how to react when the cops arrive should be covered. That said anybody not dropping their weapons is either a Darwin awardee or a bad guy - either way the cops have nothing to lose by shooting. That said this not being a perfect world -so take a couple of seconds to yell "drop your guns!" If there's a violent shoot-out or massacre another few seconds won't matter one way or the other - nothing could be worse than the guys you depend on to protect you ending up shooting you.

And did those officers go to jail after shooting the kid?

No. Officers rarely go to jail, even when they clearly broke the law. For a recent example, see the recent decision regarding an illegal stop and search.

I agree with it fine, I just don't subscribe to the idea that ANY limitation is a heavy burden.

It's similar to abortion politics - people passionately want it banned altogether while others passionately want no limitations whatsoever.

Both positions are nonsensical.

what came first was a very similar ordinance with the same effect passed in Minneapolis in 1975. The first s statewide law in Minnesota in 1993, the first school district to have trans accepting policies district wide in L.A. in 2004

Nothing particularly controversial or noticeable about it until the Pharisees needed a new scare tactic in the last couple of years. Before HERO became an issue, 11 other cities in Texas alone already had such laws. Over 200 cities nationwide, and at the time of the Charlotte ordinance, their were 18 entire states with such laws.

Virtually none of these were points of controversy when they were enacted.

I'm sure we have highly accurate data on slave suicide rates over 150 years ago.

And yes, family is key. Studies suggest that the trans person who has strong support from close family, friends, etc has a much lower likelihood of suicidal ideation than one who doesn't.

Yes, we pretty much do, and they were a thousand times lower than modern transgender suicide rates.

Can both of you drop this insane comparison, please? A slave owner has an interest in keeping his slaves alive. That he succeeds in doing so is no indication of happiness on the slave's part.

And how, pray tell, can a slave owner keep a slave from committing suicide?

Spoken as someone who was never affected by it. Never had their child become a pariah in school to the point of wanting to die, never lived through being the "freak" in everyone's eyes. It never hurt you or anyone you care about so therefore it wasn't a problem.

No, it was caused by Pharisees on the right needing a scapegoat. Non-discrimination laws have been being quietly passed in this country for 40 years and no one was worried about it. They were perfectly logical and reasonable laws, protecting people from discrimination in housing, employment, services and public accommodations. They only started becoming big public fights when the folks who'd propped up their little political empires and profiteering money machines by bashing gays for decades realized that bullshit wasn't working anymore and needed to cast a new villain.

HERO in Houston was a test run for them. Nevermind that 11 other cities in Texas including some major ones already had laws just like it and had experienced none of the predicted negative outcomes, it wasn't about truth, or facts, it was about having another boogey man to stampede the ignorant sheep with. And it worked. Now they pitch a battle everywhere it5 comes up for one and only one reason - to manipulate the gullible via fear and anger for the purpose of gaining more donations and more Republican votes.

And it works. The Administrations letter (technically the DoJ and DoE's letter) was published in response to a request from the NASSP for clarification about how Title IX was currently being applied. An effort to avoid legal uncertainty on the part of administrators. 13 states, and hundreds of individual school districts serving 1.5 million students last year ALREADY HAD these policies in place - the letter, in fact, uses these existing policies as examples of "best practices" in applying new policies because there have been NO PROBLEMS reported in any of these schools. All the silly fantasies the Pharisees predict would happen (like Huckabee's bit about "I'd have told my coach I felt like a girl today" - hasn't happened.

You may have legitimate beeefs with liberalism in general and Obama in particular - heck I do too. But on this subject, it's the Traditionalist social cons who are being played for suckers, not the left-leaning folks.

not my stupid comparison - my basic response was a nice way to say "bullshit" but I saw an opportunity to make the family point in the process.

wildly inadequate link. Such laws were being passed quietly and without contravention for over 35 years - the "bathroom wars" began within the last five years when profiteer Pharisees started spreading the bullshit that "evil liberals want to let perverts molest your women and children in the bathroom" whenever such a law was proposed in a new location.

Frankly, it's just a recycling of the same shit they used against the ERA in the 70's and that they used as one argument against desegregation in the 60's. For some reason a lot of folks are suckers for the danger-in-the-bathroom mythology.

thing is, those "gender neutral" laws? They apply to single occupancy restrooms. No logical reason to have a mens and women's single-seat-locking-door room.

Bullshit. Other NC cities HAD non-discrimination ordinances which went beyond stat protections - one of them listed veterans as a protected category for example - it was only WHO they covered that set the bigots off.

It's not just bathrooms. The Obama Administration has said that schools must allow boys to use the women's showers and they must be allowed to live in women's dormitories - where they must be allowed to use the communal showers.

It's being pushed far past the point of absurdity.

Do you reckon that a law allowing a 50-year old homeless man to go in the bathroom with any random six-year old girl might have set some people off?

As long as you stop at every Baptist Church along the way and set them straight too.

I "give a fuck" whenever anyone is killed unjustly, LGB/T or Christian or Seikh or Muslim or nothing at all.

But YOU said "coming into this country" which provided the context for my reply.

well since the ordinance didn't do that I'm forced to read this as:

"Do you rekon that ignorant easily manipulated sheep having been lied to and told "a 50-year old homeless man would be allowed to go in the bathroom with any random six-year old girl" might have been "set off"?"

Yeah, I'm sure. But the problem there is not the law, or the bathroom, but the lie.

the letter puts forward policies already in place for 1.5 million American students per year. If there were these horrible problems you predict, we'd know about it by now. Yet there's not one report of any student being harmed as a result of these policies

Then there's not one report of a trans person being harmed by having to use the men's room, either, except perhaps for God knows how many who died in the bathroom in The Pulse.

No, it doesn't. When I was in college I once walked past some boys who had been in the girl's dorm after hours. One said "God these cuffs are tight." Now a school could face federal punishments for not letting boys in the girls dorm.

This should be good.

Yeah we should wake up and vote republican because they are only fooling us by passing laws to protect us from shit like you. Who the fuck do you think you are fooling when you pretend to be the voice of caring for our rights?

I am pretty sure we got the message in Orlando that you are a part of the problem.

Yeah because you are so much better. Do you even listen to your own choice? You are telling us we have to chose between a corrupt leftist government who will let us be gay and trans while also protecting us, and then there is the corrupt right wing conservative option that wants to outlaw the gay lifestyle and prohibit opposite gender expression. You think a little corruption is going to make up for having to suffer your hate without protection. Even if you consider the glbt community aware the left is just using us to gain power why would we ever side with you Assholes?

No, it was caused by people pile like you who want to bully others and Charlotte outlawed your aggression. Things were not fine before.

You are a bafoon

Yes, everyone is really as ignorant and bigoted as you and the only reason they respect others is to get more power than you. My god you are a hot mess of hate and delusion

Actually there have been incidents of trans people being assaulted in what you would consider the proper restroom. You are a liar

Parsimony.

the potential harm for them goes beyond an actual rape in the bathroom, things which are important, even life and death, to us but not the sort of things that make it into news reports.
Many deriving from the fact that using the mens room "outs" the trans woman to every observer. Consider, if some dude who had lusted after a trans woman then sees her coming out of the mens room and realizes his "mistake" and experiences penis panic and assaults her, the police report won't mention the connection the restroom had to the attack.

Moreover, trans women are highly motivated to not report assaults in mens rooms because that too makes them "notorious" and subject to further harassment and loss. Because of this, the best evidence we have is self-reported experience disclosed in studies and surveys which I know you well enough to know you'll just accuse them of lying.

Also, remember, there are consequences which do not rise to the level of criminal offense but are certainly bigger problems than "discomfort"

Most studies come up with results like this
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...d-Restrooms-and-Minority-Stress-June-2013.pdf

Compelling rebuttal! No, wait - the opposite of that.

Hm!

http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/29/concealed-carrier-prevents-mass-shooting-at-sc-nightclub/

There you go. Gun control works!

15 Walmarts? Glad I don't live where you do.