2016 Presidential Election Thread

How bout you go and have a thought?

Are you talking about Trump or a potential President Kitchens?

That's okay, that insult was a bit harsh even for this place. How about just starting off small: can you repeat a point of substance you heard elsewhere?

There's a difference?

Which means the President won't already know how to keep the rigged system rigged. Everybody will see what he's doing instead of having it hidden by layers of insiders and then hidden further by the media.

The Wikileak dumps are showing us just how rigged the system is. Trump is the Joker who will break that.

Typical Trump supporter.

In a speech today Trump took a moment to criticize his (68 year old) opponents ass saying he specifically checked it out during the debate.

Also said his accusers must be lying because they are too ugly to assault - imply that he's fine assaulting the one's he doesn't think are ugly.

Also today it was reported he mocked a (nice looking) deaf actress as "retarded" on his show because of the way she spoke

One of his accusers was accused of lying by a witness who was sitting in the same row in first class on the airline flight and recalled that it was she who tried to hit on Trump, who just got up and left.

Well if you want, say, open heart surgery from a guy who's never had any medical training, or your pilot to be a man who's never been in a cockpit, or your IRA managed by a guy who doesn't know what the stock market is, or your home built by a guy who doesn't know a screw from a nail, or your car repaired by a guy who's never looked under a hood...then I guess you want Donald Trump to be president.

Most of us wouldn't choose any of those.

you mean the woman Trump claims he never met?

Good witness yo!

I hear she's going to dress up as Bill Clinton's biological daughter for Halloween.

You act as if everything Hillary has touched hasn't turned to shit or been utterly corrupted. So you can go on a date with a random guy or with Ted Bundy. You can invest with Joe Blow or Bernie Madoff.

I'm embarrassed to admit I'm still undecided, but I really want to find a reason to vote for Hillary.

Which policy can you point to that earned your support?

she's not him.

Frankly, she doesn't HAVE my support in the strictest sense, it's more a resignation that if she's not elected he will be and that is intolerable.

Beyond that:
1. Tax policy. Trump's proposal is essentially more supply-side economics. I was at one time a true believer in that but in the 30 years since it was applied last time, the income and wealth disparity in this country has become absolutely insane. The assertion "let the rich keep more of their money and they will create wealth for everyone" has not, in actual practice, turned out to be correct. By contrast, while his plan increases taxes on the upper middle class (those small businessmen who actually do put their money back into more economic activity which creates jobs in the local economy included) her plan raises taxes on the super-wealthy. The one's who've pulled away from the pack in terms of income. To be clear, I do NOT support tax increases on what the average person thinks of as "the rich" - the people who own the local factorizes and franchises and so forth - I still tend to think those people need the freedom to invest in their business. But I'm fine with soaking the ultra-rich.

2. Social policy. Equality before the law is very important to me, having a firewall against the dominionism favored by the Political Pharisees that control Trump's thinking vis-a-vi SCOTUS is crucial to me. In this decade, and the next, there's a legitimate opportunity to deprive the Tony Perkins crowd of their dream of allowing their particular doctrines to dictate public policy again like they did for the first 2 centuries of this nations history. If she wasn't such a problematic candidate in terms of the e-mail, and a few other things, this issue alone would make me her biggest cheerleader.

3. counterbalance to a Republican House

4. Her track record of programs she initiated or moved forward, things like CHIP for instance. While she has some policies I think are unworkable, there's a fairly impressive list (that I can't recite from memory) of ideas that she took up, moved forward, and drove the bus to get them enacted which means she displayed both a specific vision, and the ability to accomplish it. By contrast, Trump's vision is "We're gonna come up with something, and it'll be great!"

5. experience. Since 1993, she's been at or near the table when experts weighed in, policies were considered, and decisions were made. It wasn't always the RIGHT decision, but it was an INFORMED decision. This stands in stark contrast to a man who features the poisonous combination of knowing absolutely NOTHING about ANY of the crucial information needed to govern while at the same time being utterly certain he already knows everything he needs to know and adamantly resistant to taking advice from experts even about how to get elected, let alone how to govern.

There's more, but most of it would be expressed in the negative such as "she won't fuck up free trade" or "she won't pander to racists, and/or enact racist policies" and so forth.

Yes. I'd rather have Dayton as president over Trump

So after 30 years of not applying it, things have become in insane. The ultra-rich get richer because Goldman Sachs appointed almost all of Obama's cabinet. They're going to keep getting richer because they own Hillary. They pays her hundreds of thousands of dollars for 20 minute speeches where she says they should be in charge of policy.

No laws apply to Hillary. None at all. She is 100% above the law.

Hillary has never passed anything. She has, in contrast, destroyed a great many programs that might have passed if the one-woman train wreck hadn't gotten behind them. Ted Kennedy, who sponsored CHIP along with Orin Hatch, said she betrayed him on it. She does that.

And virtually every decision would have been better without Hillary's involvement, because she's a power-mad self-absorbed asshole who always creates a disaster. She was even fired during the Watergate hearings for lying and unethical behavior.

Why would she pander to racists when she's the one that gives them their marching orders. All the far right attacks on Obama were first poll tested by Hillary Clinton, such as that Obama is a Muslim anti-American philandering racist coke-head.

Interestingly, last night I had an intense exchange about Trump down at the Shell station with several young black men in athletic wear. They were pretty livid. To paraphrase their argument: "This shit about Trump is just fucking bullshit! You tell me women ain't throwing themselves at billionaires like that? NBA stars [I forget which they mentioned] and billionaires got chicks coming at 'em left and right! And these chicks wait till now to bring this shit up? That is fucking political bullshit! And Hillary? What kind of fucking woman wants a job where she's going to sit at the same desk where her husband got his dick sucked!"

In NBC's zeal to smear Trump, they've alienated the black male demographic and made them kick into OJ defense mode.

To show how badly Trump is really doing, he's losing money hand-over-fist with his new DC hotel because his brand is in the crapper.

To show how stupid the media is, Trump's DC hotel only just opened.

Dayton would be better.

His people knew there was a major business conference in town after the hotel opening - not advertising first-in pre-bookings seems like poor business sense. But that's the Donald!

Besides, this doesn't explain why bookings at all his other hotels are down 40-60% whilst the national trend is up 1%.

Because nobody is sure if Hillary and her minions will order a cruise missile strike on one of them.

538 has Gary Johnson getting 6% of the vote, which is enough to get the Libertarian party matching funds in the next Presidential election, and makes it easier for them to get on the ballot.

Trump managed to make some Red states into swingstates...

God I hate replying to you, but I am curious what you think Beyonce has done that is immoral. I don't pay attention to her so perhaps she has had a scandal I haven't heard of, but that photo just seems to show her expressing herself in a sexual way.

Oh, shit, you're trying to get logic out of the sexual morals of a supernaturalist, good fucking luck with that.