Sutherland Springs, TX church shooting

Colour us unsurprised.

You just wait until I beam those tribbles into your engine room. Enjoy the ride home, motherfucker.

I would also add my mom.

Started a post then thought better of it, but iPad spazzed out and posted my partial sentence.

Ironically still more prosaic than most of your shit.

We've all add your mom.

amendment of peace strikes again~~~

They’re probably a pedophile.

Btw iirc the bump stock ban failed.

No, that is just you and dim bulb.

Antifa. Sodomite antifa.

Because bump stocks have been defined as a "needed modification to help handicapped people".

And the handicapped are a politically correct protected class in our modern political culture.

And former Bible study instructor, it appears.

On what basis is the shooter identified as either a member or supporter of Antifa?

https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-dept-public-safety-armed-citizen-engaged-killer-ending

First things first - Teretard, kill yourself.

Second, when confronted with armed resistance, the killer dropped his weapon and fled.

Third, if the armed churchgoer hadn't been able to reach his weapon, the death toll could and probably would have been much higher. If this maniac was far enough gone to slaughter a 2 y/o infant and 14 y/o girl, there's no reason to believe he wasn't going to kill every man, woman and child in attendance.

Fourth, there are basically two types of people in this world. On the one hand, you have those who would sit in the pew peeing themselves, desperately hoping the killer overlooked them in favor of the woman sitting next to them. On the other hand, you have the guy who runs to grab his weapon to defend himself, his loved ones, and the entire church congregation.

I'll give you one guess which category @Coloratura and WAB fall into.

I rarely carry anymore except for two circumstances...road trips and at churches. That shit is fish in a barrel.

Dozens of white scalps in his trunk

How do you know the good guy was a congregant?

I'm assuming, but even if he wasn't, he still chose to act courageously. He could have just stayed in his home hoping the homicidal maniac got bored and left of his own accord.

Fair enough. Texas has some counter-intuitive gun laws. Open carry is illegal, and churches may or may not be gun free zones.

At this point, I assume some of the information we're getting is wrong. Details are still crystallizing.

I'm unclear on whether the civilian who intervened was a churchgoer--one article I saw seemed to indicate that was the case--or was someone nearby. It's also unclear whether the civilian actually hit Kelley, and whether any injuries incurred may have led to Kelley's demise. It sounds like the cops did NOT shoot Kelley.

I've seen information about Kelley's court martial--the date, the judge, the sentence--but can find no information on the charge. Anyone seen or heard?

Nope. Just reported that he's former Air Force, court martial and dishonorably discharged.

But if that's true there is no way he could own that rifle. A court martial followed by a dishonorable discharge is like a felony for civilians. You're barred from owning firearms.

I'm also heard that CCW isn't allowed in "houses of worship" in Texas. @shootER, chime in!

Depends on the church.

http://txb.life/article/guns-in-the-pews-churches-have-the-right-to-choose

How does that work? I didn't think military courts could affect the civilian life of somebody who was discharged, outside of situations where the person is actually imprisoned.

(Not that I'm an expert or anything; that had just sort of been my assumption.)

This.

When my wife headed out to church tonight (she basically runs their video department) I told her to "be careful".

She replied that she figures at least half of the church members there are packing at any given time.

And to turn the stereotype on its head, the church has a mostly African American congregation.

She carries a wallet with "Badass Motherfucker" written on it, doesn't she?

Seriously, though, I hope she stays safe. There is no place sacred when it comes to this kind of thing.

I've heard that since I was a little kid. That a dishonorable discharge was arguably more damaging to your life long term than a civilian felony conviction.

We're very informal on Sunday evenings. We meet in the fellowship hall for a meal and short bible study. Tonight, we were talking about how we started formulating a plan after the Charleston, SC shooting in 2015. I have since built a team and written a plan/policy to address this if the unthinkable occurs. That's when one of the wisest, most humble, but also most fit and well adjusted little blue haired ladies I've ever known plops her holstered J-Frame out on the table and smiles.

Well you've essentially been convicted of a crime. Just in military court instead of a civilian court.

But your crime is still a felony and in many states you are treated like a felon. (can't think of any state that doesn't treat you like one)

As for guns the Gun Control Act of 1968 bars dishonorably discharged people from carrying a firearm.

Interestingly enough officers can not be dishonorably discharged. An officer can be dismissed from service and while it holds the same punishments as a DD they can still own guns. They haven't technically been given a DD. They've simply been dismissed from service.

Jesus fucking Christ, the world is a fucked up place.