Aaaaaaand George Takei Joins the Weinstein, et al Club

Victim claims Takei assaulted him in the '80s.

 

George Takei just announced that he's gay!

 

Even by his details of the account nothing wrong really happened. Dude had too much to drink, went home with takai, and when he came around and was not interested he went home. That is not assault. That is making some bad decisions. Nothing there says he was trapped or forced into the encounter. Nothing stopped him from leaving when he wanted, and there was no claim of threats. That is not assault. That is getting too drunk and making a mistake. He even worried about him getting home.

People have got to understand that coming to your senses around someone you don't really care for is why you don't drink in excess and chose your environment before you get wasted. You do have some responsibility towards getting high responsibly and not doing it in places where you might say yes when you would normally say no. Just because you were drunk at the time does not mean you were not into it. Part of responsible drug use is understanding how they effect you and doing them in an environment where it is safe.

 

TLDR version: "Bitch was asking for it!!".

 

What the fuck!

If the story is accurate Takei drugged this guy and tried to rape him.

You don’t fondle and try to undress unconscious people.

That’s rape.

 

It is assault, as the man did not give consent, but Takei took advantage anyway while this man was unconscious, possibly due to a spiked drink.

 

Ehhhhhh. If these allegations are true, I mean it was good for Takei to stop when told to stop. But taking advantage of someone while they're drunk and going through a bad breakup is pretty skeevy.

 

Did Seth MacFarlane call another one?

 

Meh. Some people are totally down to hook up despite being sore over a bad breakup. True story: That's how one of my exes hooked up with her now-husband for the first time. They ran into each other at a bar, she was already drunk and ranting about what a bastard I am, and he took her home and helped her get over me. Twice.

I am curious about the part where he passed out, where he seems to imply he was drugged... but how long was he out if Takei didn't even have his pants off when he came to?

 

Are you really trying to call a person who may have been roofied someone who just made a bad decision? Are you really making excuses for a possible rapist?

 

Have you ever been really drunk and done things you would not normally do? This really does not even sound that terrible to me. Unless there was some sort of other drug takai slipped him, which would make it assault, I chalk this up to don't get wasted.

When I was a teenager me and my sister had a party. She had her girlfriends over and they called some guys from who knows where to come by. One of the girls starts hammering down shots, and me and my friends start tossing the guys out because shit was getting out of hand. Luckily the guys left and I am still fairly sober since it is my parents house and I don't want bad shit happening. Next thing the drunk girl comes over and starts playing with my zipper. She is so wasted she cannot get it open. I realize she is going out and I just give it a few moments until she passes out then I get to go carry her to the bedroom so she can sleep it off. She passes out face in my lap and I carry her down the hall to the bathroom and try to get her to throw up with some smelling salts. It works really well and next thing I am holding a fucking vomit hose over the toilet. Needless to say things got messy.

So I am there with drunk chick, and my sister is off having a booze meltdown in another room, and her friends are all trying to console her as she is wearing. So I am covered in vomit in the bathroom, with drunk chick so I strip her down to her panties and go into the shower with her to clean off. I am trying to decide if it is time to call an ambulance or if this girl can just sleep it off safely and just have to deal with a hangover. So my sister starts wondering where I am and comes barging into the bathroom with me and drunk chick in the shower in our underwear. She freaks out because this looks bad and I let her take her friend into the bedroom with some towels to dry off and go to be while I begin to wash down the bathroom and do laundry.

I get to spend the next day telling my sister drunk and covered in vomit is not the way I want to make it with a girl. The girl only remembers flashes of me with her in the shower and then waking up in bed scared I assaulted her. All this because she went and drank way to fast. But from her point of view I was the terrible thing that happened to her that night because she did not want to sleep with me and I was her sister's creepy geeky older brother. So i am not going to take the word of some guy who is getting tanked trying to forget an ex and think George takai did anything but take a willing drunk guy home with him, and do the right thing by stopping when dipshit got sober. Unless a lot of other people start saying the same thing about takai I find him to be a reasonable and polite gentleman with manners. I could be wrong, but one guy who gets wasted and has a story does not make him a bad person. If more people pop up and George is all grabby and wrong then I will be disappointed. However right now I find George to be a mindful and respectful person and I am not buying it.

 

Do you know the guy was roofied? Are there more people claiming george does this? What he describes could very well be the results of drinking too fast and not some sinister plan. I have had the same sort of feelings with alcohol and know what it is like to drink too much. Perhaps George should have left the drunk guy at the bar, but are we expecting everyone to just leave some person they see drinking at the bar because once you have some drinks you cannot consent? Getting plastered and fucking is how some people have fun.

 

The veracity of this man's claims are nearly as good as those being made against Roy Moore. He doesn't have as many people willing to say that they were aware of what happened before now, but he does have them. We also don't have anyone else coming forward to say that they were attacked by George, yet. Still, when Spacey's first accuser came forward, I accepted him as telling the truth, that got cemented as more people came forward. Until I see evidence to the contrary, the only thing which I can do is assume that this person is telling the truth. It is possible that George misread the signals or that it was a one-time lapse in judgment. Until we know more, we cannot say for certain.

 

Yes, but what I am saying is that even if he is telling the truth that he got drunk and George took him home I don't see where that incident is necessarily assault. I believe him that the event happened, but I am saying that since George let him go and did not threaten or harm him afterwards there was no crime. Bad night of drinking, sure. If you look at the situations of Weinstein and O'Reilly you see that they were much more forceful in keeping the intoxicated person where they were and they used their status to bring people to them and to make it seem that sex was simply what was done. Let's say the worst of the worst happened with George's story. We have George drinking and taking some guy who is over the age of consent home with him and getting ready to be Randy with him, but the moment the guy changes his mind and says no George says get out of here and don't drive drunk. Even if George got the guy smashed he never finished the act. He stopped. Seeing naked George takei is not assault.

If there is more to the story like a drug test coming up positive for something other than alcohol, or some sighting of pills or liquid that George roofed his drink with I do not see anything wrong here. Bill Cosby knocked bitches out and had his way with them. He did not knock them out and when they came around he pulled up his pants and sent them home. He actually fucked them against their will even when they said no. He actively took their resistance away multiple times when he really did not have to. When this guy starts to show signs of resisting and not being into it takai sends him away and Cosby would have kept going. That is a huge difference. That right there is the difference between rape and a mistake.

 

And some people think that you're a dude, other people think that you're a woman, and still other people think that you're a fucked up piece of shit who needs to be killed. Are you going to say that their assessment of who you are is more vaild than your own? The victim says that it was assault. Period. Paragraph. Either you believe them or you don't. If you don't then you need to have a better reason for it than, "I think..."

Groping people against their will is considered a crime in many jurisdictions, regardless of the intent, or any threats, be they implied or otherwise.

Neither is jerking off in front of people, like Louis CK did, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

So, you're okay with someone you're not sexually attracted to grabbing your junk? What about people who think that there's something wrong with people grabbing their junk, even if they explicitly never said that it's okay for people of any gender to grab their junk?

Actually, we really don't know what Cosby did. The descriptions of his victims aren't that much different than what happened in this instance. So far, we only have one person's word for what happened, while in Cosby's case, we have nearly 100 women coming forward and saying that they believed Cosby drugged and raped them. How many people did it take before you believed that Kevin Spacey acted improperly? George hasn't responded to these accusations and his PR person is saying that's because George is in Japan, as if there wasn't a thing called the internet that allowed people all over the world to talk to one another instantly.

 

damn you beat me to it!

 

nothing happened but it was about to - I guess you could consider it "attempted assault" if there is such a thing. Somebody has too much to drink & starts passing out, the fun is over, the evening is over, full stop.

 

No really I don't. First off this does not even pass legal muster for assault. Second, I can take a person's reputation into account when making a personal judgment. Without anything else I am not going to think any less of takei. Actually the way George behaved is how I think a gentleman would behave if he brought home someone who was too intoxicated by mistake. He took no for an answer and even worried about the person's safety, and that is according to the victim.

Actually, yes I am in certain situations. And if someone comes home with me for some intimate time I would consider that consent. I am not going to drag some wasted dude home, but if he came home of his own consent and got into my house and I grabbed his junk I would still have to accept no, but yes that is a cue that you might be in for something more than just a handshake. If I were in the situation of being the person who woke up drunk in someone else's house and needed to get home and sleep it off I most certainly would not accuse them of rape unless there was some evidence they roofied me. If they stopped and were worried about how I got home I would think that incredibly polite and noble considering I was probably hanging on them all the way to where I was. Even if he had drugged me at that point and was sending me home without sex and making sure I got there ok I would be annoyed at having someone give me a substance that might have hurt me, but I would not think they had assaulted me if there was no evidence of any sex.

We do know that Cosby gave them pills and then they ended up being paralyzed and having memory gaps. Even Cosby says he gave some of them pills but he claims they were pain relievers. Bullshit on that one. I have downed a shit ton of Tylenol, Advil, Aleve, aspirin, dxm, benadryl, and other antihistamine and it does not paralyze you and make you so you cannot move. That is a different sort of feeling. Even oxy or other opioid pain killers don't really make it so you cannot move. Cosby gave them something like a roofy and he knew they would not fight back. Giving someone a bunch of alcohol is not a guarantee they will be incapacitated, especially men. Alcohol is a mood enhancer. If you grope a man when they are drunk you are much more likely to get punched because alcohol would amplify your anger and men are taught to fight back.

All drugs do not work the same. It is not the same to say you were drunk or you were roofed. The rookie experience takes away much more movement and puts you in another place that is not like alcohol. I have experienced it and talked to people who have. You either black out and remember nothing, or you are awake and helpless when roofed. That is not the same as having too many.

 

Read the story. The evening ended without sex and the guy went home. The fun was over and he was sent home for being too wasted. George did not fuck him and then send him home. He stopped when he realized the guy was responding negatively and sent him home. That is exactly what you want someone to do if you happen to end up going home when too wasted with someone you do not know.

 

That's why we have courts. A simple rape kit would have cleared you instantly. And even if did do it, the odds were slim that you'd even face a day in jail anyway.

For every chick like your sister's friend, there are far too many more preyed upon because men know having booze in her system all but an automatic dismissal of any case and your attitude is exactly why.

 

Okay, but I'd have far more respect for him if he'd sent him home before pulling his pants off.

DON'T FUCK ANYONE WHO IS DRUNK AS FUCK.

DON'T ATTEMPT TO FUCK ANYONE WHO IS DRUNK AS FUCK.

It's not hard.

 

Not to defend him, but the 80's were fucked up, and we didn't have that rule carved in stone yet.
Seriously, watch "Porky's", and "Revenge Of The Nerds", and how rapey they look now.
That was our comedy.
Yeah.

 

Takei denies it happened. In the absence of any other accounts of this behavior I'm inclined to believe him.

"The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do," he said. "Right now it is a he said / he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful."​

 

Oh, shit, that's right!!!
Ghostbusters is rapey!!!
WTF did Venkman have thorazine on him on a date for?!?!?!
Why did Venkman have thorazine on a date?!?!?!?
OMFG!!!

 

Two drinks and he just straight up blacks out, yeah, not for very long, could have been a blood sugar spike or something, but he passed out and came to with someone trying to pull his underwear off, and you don't see anything wrong with this. True story or not, you're defending this behavior.

 

GEORGE HAS BEEN CLEARED OF THE ACCUSATION! Yep, a photo of the evening's activities has been found in George's home. Turns out George just wanted to engage in a little sword fighting. He's Asian so it was of course a "little" sword. George won in the "two out of three" fence-off and the accuser made up the story out of spite. GO TEAM TAKEI BTW Captain Kirk might want to check out that obviously malfunctioning air conditioning!

 

I think it’s time to bring McFarlane in for questioning, just have him make a list.

 

Man, I liked George and even followed him on Facebook.