Terrorist Attack on Mosque in New Zealand

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Despite overwhelming evidence of a connection between white supremecy and terrorism the racists around here attempt nothing but excuses as to why we should blame the left for the right doing their terrorism.

It is all just intellectual dishonesty from people like flashy and @Marso

Actually, there was a hell of a lot written all over all three Bushmaster rifles. He only took one, left the other two in the trunk of his car, and it flashed so fast I couldn't make out what all the mad scribbling he wrote said.

I love his work. Comedy with so much truth in it.

They weren't all three ARs. The first one he took out looked like a shotgun, and he went back twice to swap out the other two. I guess he didn't want them to feel left out.

I haven't seen the full video just a 30 second clip showing him getting out of car, checking the truck (which had two additional rifles in it) then walking up to the target. It ends there.

There was a lot scribbled on all three rifles, I mean A LOT, you can hardly make it out. It was like a manic scribbling nonsense.

I feel like the media should stop publishing these guys names. In this case in particular he wanted his manifesto to be published and his name out there. I understand the need to report this, but stop giving them a platform.

To an extent I agree, unless it's a way of drawing the other slime out from under their rocks.

I do love how certain factions here try to paint this guy as a "lone gunman" with no connection to the miasma of bigotry that has been oozing up out of the Twitter sewers in recent years.

"No, no, no, he acted alone! Had nothing to do with anything he read or saw in the media! Just one lone loony. Nothing to see here...move along."

Here is what I don't understand. Why was this guy so interested in US politics generally, and the 2nd Amendment in particular?

I'm so dumb I am still surprised to see how much deeper the rabbit hole goes.

All of those things you just called fake news happened on tape. Are you unaware of this, or do you believe that all of it was CGIed and he never did any of it?

Spot is lying, Flashlight hasn't posted here in years.

Interesting opinion piece. Some fascinating ideas in there.

Plenty of international shitbag conservatives are obsessed with American politics and do their best to follow the lead of American conservatives. Brainwashing doesn't stop at the border.

If you follow pretty much any "ism" to its logical conclusion, they all end up in the same place: tyranny and oppression.

If you're genuine, and want to have your mind blown, trace back to the full story, entire set of quotes, in context, for each of those stories. I attach a small chance you will pierce the bubble and break out of your misperception, but it's conceivable.

Put me again in the sorry position of defending Trump, I'll bear it: "fine people on both sides" referred not to KKK and Antifa counter-protestors, but to the two sides of the statue debate. Dig up the history on the other two examples if you like - or perhaps spring a few euros on a documentary called "Hoaxed." Pretty sure Hoaxed covers both of those two in some detail (fake news of muslim database and mexican rapists stories).

Ok, good faith response again (it's a crying shame we have to specify that) you really don't see a link between the wall, the immigration ban, the anti NATO stance and the support he has been getting from what were previously fringe groups?

I'm not using this as a personal dig (though I have in the past), but you are a professional person yes? You have at some point demonstrated the sort of critical thinking skills required to meet degree grades?

Yet you genuinely believed in what you called the "lightbulb moment". You were told the economy was suddenly booming by a source you found credible and believed it. That's entirely in line with what you are proposing here, that we are very malleable to that which confirms our preconceptions but resistant to that which opposes them.

My own take is that Trump doesn't really have any strong political views, rather he's willing to do what is required to reach his goals. He's never been different. He probably didn't set out to encourage white supremacy but he rode the tide of that support because that's where his platform resonated. The undercurrent was there all along but Trump was one of several high profile figures who are associated with its' emergence into the mainstream. The wording there is important, correlation =/=causality after all.

Hence my musing, was he a driver of that emergence or did he merely ride a wave which would have found another figurehead anyway?

I quit being a lawyer in NY after 23 years. Moved to Texas to veg, am no longer a professional. But the business I part own saw sales skyrocket. So I commented on economy improving like "switch was thrown" in part because of national data actually reported but largely from personal experience. Even showed you my YOY comps for same store sales, the most pertinent metric available, and universally well regarded as a valid measurement of something, whether or not you agree with how I characterized it.

In sum: from reporting I saw a steep jump from 4% growth to 15% growth can't be used as an example of me being brainwashed, unless your claim is that I read my sales data inaccurately, or lied about it.

Who? I keep on hearing about this fleshlight person but I never see whoever it is.

First of all, calling defenders of the slaveholder statue 'fine people' would be more than sufficient to make Trump dirt. But even beyond that, your claim is plainly untrue. I've just watched three uncut videos of him saying the phrase. The question he was responding to was verbatim about the person who was killed that day, and in the very same sentence, Trump emphasizes: "I saw the same pictures as you did", pointing out that he was talking about the exact same event as the person asking the question. But note that this is not about a one-time gaffe. In my lifetime, there has never been another American President for whom we had to search with a fine comb for evidence that he might or might not be opposed to National Socialism. If he were on record as opposing the vilest scum of the Earth rather than defending it, as every last other moral sentient biped on this planet despises them, it would hardly matter that he said it once -- we'd assume he misspoke.

Don't engage with Tuttle. He has a revisionist history of everything, including well documented current events.

I appreciate the effort, but you wasted all those words. He isn't gonna read them, and even if he does, he won't care. The correct response is to direct his mouth towards my balls.

Can you imagine how foolish you'd feel if you showed up to a mass-shooting but could only kill half as many people because you dropped your only gun? Ever read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson (a man who liked his guns and drugs)? In it he describes how one can get lost in the crazy idea that you need more drugs than you could possibly take before setting out on an adventure. I imagine something similar happens with guys planning shooting sprees.

If you don't consider human life sacred and are planning on committing mass-murder, why on earth would you consider a religious building sacred?

Funny, Mohammed was a slaveholder yet you bend over backwards to not say bad things about him. Why the double standard?

I take the effort to view historical figures in the context of their historical settings but even by doing that the goat fucker Mohammed was an especially evil genocidal savage.

If you examine carefully, only using actual facts, you might find an unexpected "truth." Trump has attracted among his supporters a group fairly described as being far right. Somehow Trump got those people to trust him. And he's moved from using rhetoric that sounds rightwing to rhetoric closer to center. Trump's language is also very susceptible to manipulation to sound extremely right wing, as we've seen.

A few examples: US will enforce laws and deport 11 or 12 million illegals. US will kill not just terrorists but maybe also their families. We will ban muslims. Each of those policies have softened. If any on the far right trusted Trump to do any of those things, we have not seen any of them complain. If some among far right still like/trust Trump, they have moved closer to center since Trump no longer talks about deporting millions of illegals, killing terrorist families, or a blanket ban. At the very least, Trump has made any on the far right who disagree with him to shut up (or we'd have heard of them, as with Ann Coulter on the "Wall" promises).

I won't claim or even speculate that the above is or was intentional on Trump's part, simply that it represents a fair and accurate description of the situation. Trump has effectively moved some of the far right closer to center. You should actually be pleased, not critical, of the results.

Unless your pov is that Trump radicalized these murderers who would not have committed this atrocity absent Trump's rhetoric from years ago. I would disagree absent some evidence.

Wow, you're worse than Trump.

And that's intended as a compliment, such as it is. Good luck dude.

[To shrink you for a moment, I figure it's the same reason why Merkel imported so many refugees, a warped mind from misplaced guilt re the sins of your ancestors. Best you move on, which is not to say "forget it." You'll never find peace.]

Hmm, I rewatched the 30 second clip from before the shooting started. It looks like he has an AR slung on his right side, he dis puck up a shotgun from the trunk of his car, but left another AR in the trunk. All three rifles appear to have white paint writing on them spelling a bunch of gibberish.