‘You’re a bunch of dopes and babies’: Inside Trump’s stunning tirade against generals

Yeah, so long as Trump gives you people to shit on, regardless of their color, you'll keep pumping your penis at everything he says. When it's been pointed out to you that Republicans like nothing better than cutting benefits to vets, such as yourself, your response has been, "So what? You think that the Democrats won't do that at some point?" Ignoring the fact that many Democrats (though not all, of course) have pushed harder for increased benefits for vets. So why opt for the group who wants to take everything away now, over a group that might take away everything later? Because you just want to rip the band-aid off and get it over with now? You know, like how Herbert Hoover did in 1932?

You have first-hand experience with war. You have first-hand experience of what happens to a society when a corrupt government neglects its people to enrich those at the top. That you continue to support a President and a party which embodies both of those things is very telling. People think that I'm joking when I say it'll take Trump committing suicide in an underground bunker as foreign troops approach before people like you give up on supporting him. I'm not. And you won't. You have internalized something about yourself that you so despise, yet are unable to talk about, that your only recourse is to project it on others who are different than you and your sole respite in that internalization is rejoicing in the suffering of others.

Oh, the stock market is up, you say? That's nice. It was up right before it crashed in 2008. It was up right before it crashed in 1929. We've got practically an entire goddamned continent in flames due to global warming, and a President who'd like nothing better than to keep pumping the damned substances responsible for that happening into the atmosphere in power. Does that matter to you? No. Are you willing to give up something, anything, so that your kids might not have to live on a dying planet? Nope. Because reasons.

Not that you'll care, or even pay attention to this, but let me put this in stark terms for the peanut gallery that might be paying attention. Suppose that a genie does his thing tomorrow and every fossil fuel system out there is replaced by the perfect green energy system. Our CO2 emissions drop to zero across the entire planet and everybody gets to live as fat and happy as any American. That doesn't end global warming. The CO2 levels in the atmosphere are still far too high. All that means is that we stop things from getting worse. Without things to suck CO2 out of the air, we're still boned. Can you name me one Republican who has a plan to eliminate our CO2 emissions, let alone bring them down to the level they should be? I'll be honest, I can't name a single Democrat who'll push for things to reduce the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere from over 400 ppm to around 260 ppm (which is where they need to be), but I can name a whole raft of Democrats who'll be more than happy to sign on to something which brings our CO2 emission levels to zero. That ain't ideal, but it's better than what your side's offering so I'll take it. The fact that they also support ensuring everyone has the right to vote, health care, and a decent paying job (to name but a few) is a bonus for me. But go ahead, explain to me how I'm wrong, and how Trump is going to solve our most pressing problems.

Cheeto Mussolini is brain damaged, and those men in those meetings, are cowards. Trump is the lowest IQ president we’ve ever had, and 46% of this country is lapping his bullshit up like dogs.

no I don't like these things (taken at face value, as sound bites, without further examination) at all. But will these type of things stop with a Democrat president - specifically any of the current crop of contenders running? I'm betting they would not, which election day will bear out.

That doesn't answer why you'd vote for someone who is doing so much harm to your nation's standing without offering anything tangible back.

He is literally destroying your reputation to the point where your former allies would rather side with Iran. He's in no way improved your economy, arguably done long term damage to it, shown open contempt for the military you served in and turned the office of POTUS into a laughing stock and circus, not to mention having rolled back human rights by decades.

What good has he done?

What has he done to earn anyone's vote?

He kisses off libruhls?

Why should I tell you what positive things he's done? You would belittle them or argue against them because he's Trump. Your mind is made up, and your filters are engaged to ensure that you won't change your mind. You're not even voting anyway so does it really matter? So what will a Democratic president bring to the table? Granted they might talk a good game (that's their job, it's part of getting elected) but will their ideas come to fruition? They could very well turn out to cause incredible damage to the U.S. but they won't be Trump, so it's all good. And if I were to list facts stating that the Democratic president is FUBAR you would bring your own facts to the table saying I'm mistaken. There are two sides to every story and issues are incredibly complex and the results not always obvious.
Bottom line we are getting closer to the election so we'll have to see what shakes out. But from what I've seen so far from the pool of Democratic hopefuls I don't see anyone close to matching whatever appeal and experience Hillary might have had, so yeah barring anything catastrophic it's going to be a Trump landslide.

Can't think of anything, can you?

Because we're having a conversation, that's what happens. People ask questions out of interest and others respond.

Also, bear in mind it was only last week you were defending Obama's foreign policy against my criticisms, so let's not do the whole "your guy, my guy" thing. I'm not a voter, no, nor am I a democrat because guess what? We don't have democrats here, or any party which is a fair analogy.

So answer or don't, it's up to you, but the take home really is you can't think of anything positive he's done but you'd vote for him rather than give someone else a chance.

Look, if you could strap oldfella down, and put neural scanning spikes into his head, and crank the power up to a kilowatt, what you'd finally get after smashing down his mental firewalls is a little man living in his head shrieking "Sunk!!! Cost!!! Fallacyyyyy!!! Are you happy now, you bastards!?!!? ".

I thought it was pretty cool how he deported all those veterans who'd joined up after DACA.

Oh, and funneling VA money to private health care corporations. Why fix the system when you can profit from it's demise?

I get that that's your canned response, but it doesn't make sense. "Yeah, Trump sucks, but a Dem might not be any better." How do you figure Trump stacks up against every other former president in the last 30 years?

I would have to research the specifics of how he stacks up, if there are any quantifiable factors (apples-to-apples) that can be measured. How I feel (or how anyone feels) about how he stacks up isn't really that important. Are there unbiased and comprehensive systems for comparing presidents? It would be interesting to find out with cooler heads prevailing.

I'm interested in how you feel. How do you feel he stacks up, and why.

Do you mean how he stacks up for me/my situation/my personality/my morals/etc?

Yes.

okay here is how I rate Trump in areas that affect me and mine personally & professionally, and in some areas that do not:

economy: no discernable difference between Trump and any other president, but this could be due to my chosen profession and related more than adequate income. Thus inflation and layoffs and slowdowns and whatnot have never affected me. Black employment is at an all time high, but of course many people will bitch about those jobs being low paying - haters gonna hate. Just threw this point out there as a response to the "Trump is a racist!" crowd.

foreign policy: Trump tends to shoot from the hip and piss off anybody & everybody on any given day, but we as a nation still have the same allies & enemies & working partnerships that we have had under every other president. We still support Israel, North Korea hates the U.S. but we can't do shit about stopping the Kims and never will, we are still in the sandbox and if we do get out it will have zero to do with who is HMIC. China is robbing us blind at every level but because no American will pay one penny more for a product if they have to we bring it on ourselves. That said Trump's "trade war" with China is hitting our farmers hard so at this point I feel it was a bad idea. Then again farmers always get shit on. I do like Trump's "America first" philosophy! Every leader of every nation should put their nation first first - that's their job. Fuck apologizing to the world! That said you don't have to be a dick about it either.

domestic policy: the border wall was a bad idea from the git-go. Making it slightly harder and longer to sneak in from Mexico doesn't help if we just keep doing a "catch and release" and have sanctuary cities anyway. Plus most of our drugs come through legal ports of entry anyway. Pull the plug and spend the money on speeding up the legal immigration process. This would take care of the "kids in cages" issue for the most part too. Yes, the U.S. causes all the poverty south of the border all the way to Cape Horn that drives the immigration - we get it. Trump didn't start that, and no other president before him has ever stopped it. Civil rights? Guarantee he hasn't done enough to help the LGBTQ (forgive the spelling if need be) according to some people here on wordforge, so I will have to consider that a negative mark on his record.

anyway here is an interesting piece on presidential leadership in general while we are on the subject:

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/ten-ways-to-judge-a-president/

Keeps him from having to , y’know think...

speaking of thinking aren't you late for your MENSA meeting genius? No doubt you're the president of your local chapter!

Was that not his entire business model for decades?

Small point of order, but you really don't have the same allies you once did.

Small point of order, but you really don't have the same allies you once did.[/quote]

@oldfella1962 thinks everyone loves the US and wants us to run their countries for them. He also thinks the US would be the best to run every country. It is why he makes good cannon fodder for the military. They could ship him off to Iraq to have missiles shot at him in retaliation for Trump's war crimes and he would gladly take a missile to the face for his glorious leader without ever questioning why. It is a good quality to have for a minion, but a terrible quality for a voter.

His news sources don't tell him things like that.

Generals aren't babies.

They are baby killers.

Yeah, let's not fall into the trap of imagining that the contrasts with Trump in terms of knowledge, professionalism and intelligence makes them into commendable human beings. They're cunts too.

most of the long term (relatively) ones are still here - England, South Korea, Japan, Germany and Canada are a few I can think of that are trust-worthy and not to likely to upset the apple cart.

I can't speak for any of the others but it seems you are very much overestimating public sentiment here in favour of the US.

Yes we have our treaty obligations but historically we have gone way above and beyond in honouring them. Johnson is currently riding the Brexit wave but I doubt he'd be looking at another term if he did the same now. Put bluntly the British people hate Trump and making any major commitment to military support of the US would destroy the career of any PM who did so. We've had mass protests at the mere mention of him visiting, simply shaking his hand has caused public disgust at both May and Johnson. He has the honour of being the first "allied" head of state to be publicly snubbed by members of the royal family ever, Parliament have seriously debated banning him from British soil.

Look at the "coalition" you had in Iraq. Basically it was you and us. Now Trump takes unilateral action on Iraqi soil without even warning your "ally" despite the risks to the troops we still have stationed there, just to further muddy his reputation here.

Other NATO countries did what was required of them to honour the mutual defence clause back in 2001, but did so in a way which was frequently a case of damning by false praise, committing in some cases single or double figures troops wise. I promise you failing some major change in the political landscape we'd be unlikely to be coming to your aid any time soon. It'd be a case of letting you lie in the bed you had made.

And @Zombie, just a small reminder, you still haven't removed your troops from Iraq despite having been formally asked to do so.

As presented, with no other evidence, I'm glad Tillerson said something and I'm really disappointed that Mattis did not. My take on Mattis was that he would stand up for his people even if it meant he would take a hit. Maybe I was wrong.

That said, we talked about it here. We knew then that when Tillerson and Mattis were gone, that the wheels would really come off the Trump Admin's foreign policy.

if you're going to surround yourself with the best people (as Reagan tried to practice) you have to treat them right! I'm not HMIC (if I were don't fill a street pothole and see how deep my foot goes up your ass!) but if I were I'd be the most delegating non-micromanaging motherfucker on the planet bar none.

Turns out Tillerson is an empty suit. [Tillerson: I'm not gonna answer your questions until you read the effing briefing memo prepared for you, you lazy useless phony. Trump: I don't wanna read the effing report, if you can't summarize the two or three most critical aspects off the top of your head, then wtf are you here for, you fat lazy stupid person?; you're so fired just as soon as I finish my big mac.]

My estimation of Trump just spiked from 6 to a record 6.5 (of ten), maybe 7. And that's assuming only a 15% chance he actually said what's attributed to him in the book.

Aside from keeping an ordered closet and shiny shoes, military promotion accrues to those adept at fence sitting, cronyism, a lifetime of quid pro quos and not pissing off the wrong people while also sucking up to the right ones (ie politician skills). Conversations with over a dozen friends who've served have painted a consistent picture of every master sgt far exceeding the breadth and reach of their elltees and upper ranks in nearly all aspects outside formal education, rank and asskissing (constrained in reach only by absence of an intel briefing).

If Mattis handled his military duties in any way similar to his oversight while on the Board of Theranos he's at least a clown if not also a baby.

And for the fourth time now - where're all the reports and video of our "abandoned allies" the Kurds getting slaughtered after we dumped them?, as predicted by 97% of all the clowns, babies, pundits, journos and deep staters? [for the record, I don't actually *want* to see that, but mention it because we've observed the consensus clusterfuck to be proven wrong yet again in their unanimous convictions, proclaimed with absolute certainty. Or how about one report, just one?]

Apparently every US war since '45 (save Grenada?) was built on lies and deception either initiated or enabled by our "leaders" in press and military; and we've bungled and lost the vast majority of them. Google "Nayirah babies torn from incubators" and her testimony before Congress for some of the lies that got us our first mass entertainment Gulf War I, where we kicked ass on tv (turned out Nayirah was Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter working for PR firm).

Clowns and babies indeed.

"Summarise the two or three top points" of the entire US global defence policy.

That, Tuttle, is why we consider you to be a hopeless brain-dead cunt.

no need... the apple cart's wheels have fallen off. keep in mind the NP is probably the most conservative of our non wing nut right papers.

We don't have term limits and Trudeau is going to want to run as many times as he can. Following your de facto dictator would be political suicide.

Rest of article at link, but to save you the two minutes of reading...

the general vibe up here is that those interests coincide less every year.