SARS II: Respiratory Boogaloo

Im surprised no one has linked this https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosion-smallpox-intl-hnk/index.html to the virus yet.

No, covfefe virus.

It doesn't kill you, it just turns your brain to mush, turns your skin orange, and makes you claim to be a billionnaire even though you have lost huge amounts of money and have to make sure no one finds out what your real financial situation is.

Fifteen of @Ancalagon's "Boomers" have been diagnosed.

Spring Breakers Get the Coronavirus
15 Florida students test positive for COVID-19




Wonder how many others they've infected?

I find it unusual how you've allowed yourself to become consumed with the happenings of the human world when God has promised that such things ultimately amount to nothing.

Young people: "You selfish old people don't want to change to keep the world from getting 1 degree warmer in 50 years."

Also young people: "Sorry you old people gotta die, but we need to party!"

True, but extrapolating from that some argument that the virus is a hoax or the response is unnecessary is a non sequiter and the repeated use of the word "flu" is deliberately disingenuous. COVID=/=flu. Even if a person were to downplay the risks the simple failure to acknowledge the biological reality of that is ignorance.

All countries have quirks in their reporting of causes of death, much as they do for crime figures and any number of other variables. This isn't a new revelation.

For many victims of coronavirus it won't be the virus which kills them per se but underlying health conditions exacerbated by exposure. Co morbidity does not preclude the virus being a decisive factor in that person's death if there is a reasonable case to be made that either condition alone would have been survivable.

Much the same could be said about HIV which rarely kills in and of itself, with pneumonia being far more likely to actually be the terminal factor. By @Tuttle's reasoning we should therefore do away with all those sexual health screenings and stop practising safe sex.

Tuttle (unless I'm mistaken, but the language employed seems to confirm this) seems to be arguing not in favour of proportionality but against the reality of the threat, despite the mounting numbers of dead bodies. It's an anti vaxxer/flat earth/climate change denier argument and is not only dangerously wrong but insulting to the growing body of people who have lost loved ones.

Ignorant young people, maybe. (And not-so-young people like you who blow it off as "fake news.") Take a poll and see how many WFers older than 30 are committed to fighting climate change.

Like the ones roaming the streets in Germany spitting on older people? Yeah, those. I wonder if the death toll from the Kansas flu skewed so strongly to younger people because in the wake of WWI all they wanted to do was hold Oktoberfest year-round.

And given how many WFers have wished death on me over the years, I intend to keep on keepin' on just to spite them.

ETA: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927196

A review of more than 4,000 U.S. patients who were diagnosed with novel coronavirus infection (COVID-19) shows that an unexpected 20% of deaths occurred among adults aged 20-64 years, and 20% of those hospitalized were aged 20-44 years.

The expectation has been that people over 65 are most vulnerable to COVID-19 infection, but this study indicates that, at least in the United States, a significant number of patients under 45 can land in the hospital and can even die of the disease.

We need a thread for businesses that are helping (Harbor Freight) and businesses that are not (Game Stop) so we know who to trade with after this is over.

Based on what fantasy world did you construct that deranged opinion?

I've barely advocated any course of action - the closest I came is questioning the economic cost of shutting down economy, and pondering whether isolating ONLY the high risk groups might've achieved a less potentially catastrophic result. Chopping off a foot to save a toe would be a bad thing - and this isn't hindsight yet, there is still time to refine the strategy.

Data can be unreliable even in the best circumstances, particularly near the beginning ("fog of war"), and it's compounded when you add known liars (e.g. CCP) and inconsistent definitions (what constitutes "death by Wuhan Batsoup flu") and conditions (e.g. age demos, health care systems, and bed capacity - e.g. US has fewer than half hospitals beds than some places but 3x as many ICU beds). Some have even posited that culture of wet double cheek kisses in places like Italy and Iran might have contributed to (possibly) outlying data.

Don't forget the company owned by archaelogical looters, Hobby Lobby. Never mind Fearless Leader, Gawd told them to stay open!

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that young adults in the US lack access to healthcare.

I'm sure he'll get the best healthcare available -- in Canada.

I liked Rand Paul as a candidate in 2016 and I mostly agree with his policies l, but it’s looking like he’s actually a bit of a douche.

Just figuring that out hey?

The problem with isolating just the high-risk group (elderly, those with compromised health) is that there's still significant risk of hospitalization for everyone else. If the health care system gets overloaded by them, many of them will die needlessly simply because there are too few beds, ventilators, doctors, etc.

If we did nothing and let this thing run wild, the death toll in this country would be huge. In the millions. As it is, I expect deaths in the 10s maybe 100s of thousands...and this is with the extreme measures we're already taking. It's probably inevitable at this point. But there will be many more deaths if the system is overloaded. We'll get an Italy-like scenario, where people over 60 are pretty much being left to die for lack of resources.

Distillery in Wisconsin has switched to making hand sanitizer

Also several in Minnesota

Why do you keep referring to it as "batsoup flu" when you know damn well it isn't a form of influenza? It makes you look idiotic and you should be ashamed of deliberately confounding a very dangerous lie. A lie people will die and are currently dying because of.

Only a few pages back you were casting doubt on the concept of "herd immunity", now you are

which seems self contradictory?

You keep politicising this by bringing the CCP up despite the hundreds of lies which can be demonstratably lain at the door of your own current administration, the same one you so strongly support. Yes the CCP are known liars, but so are the White House. Most of us do not view things through the same distorted lens you seem to, especially when facing a global problem. That prejudice is entirely at odds with objective rational decision making and all scientists are aware of the unreliability of equating international data. That doesn't mean it's not worth trying to model this or effect strategies to save lives.

The economic cost of shutting down the economy will be huge, but the cost of not doing so could potentially be greater. Make no mistake left unchecked this could well kill millions of people and we can point to numerous examples of exactly that happening throughout history. If you believe any responsible (or even intelligently self interested) politician is going to allow the virus to run unchecked then you're very mistaken. It's not going to happen and nor should it.

Economies recover, people don't return from the dead. Not yet at least.

The economy only exists at all to serve human beings, it's interests cannot be put before their's.

Very good question.

Morbid thought, but...

How long before a notable person dies from this thing?

My guess: within the next three days.

Young adults in the U.S. had access to health care under the PPACA, but the Republicans in Congress have been steadily eroding it ever since its passage.

Then there are the young adults like @Federal Farmer who refused to get it because Reasons.

Sorry, but due to the current virus situation I am suspending all of my appointments. I will let you know when business is started again and what my rate is.

Oh, these poor Congress critters.

Harvey Weinstein is my fish.



Who’s taking the bets?

That's an outstanding guess. Known infected, in his 60s, significant health issues.

At this point, he may be hoping to cash out.

(P.S. Love the Shawshank Redemption reference)

Incoming meme: Corona didn't kill Weinstein