Paladin: the Rape Grandfather

Depends on the situation.

With regard to a sexual advance, a refusal--a statement or action that clearly refuses consent--must always be respected.

In Trump's case, did any of the women say no? Since he says they consented, I'm guessing not.

For what?

Let me put it this way:

Why would ANYONE want sex from someone who they had to nag and weddle and wear out to drag a "yes" out of them? Are you satisfied with that? Hell,
I remember being a young teenager with sex issues and being told by people on this very board that if I didn't put out by date 3 I was being too picky and guys will move on to the next thing. "it's the 2000s, we don't have to stick around with one girl!"

It's the '20s for Christ's sake. For every "hard to get" woman, there are 5 who are willing to jump your dick in five minutes. And I promise you if a woman is playing games and you stop playing, you'll know it when she starts blowing up your DMs.

If you're okay with a bored "fine, whatever" because it's legally consent, that says nothing good about you.

Frankly, I'm sad we wasted the Rapey McCreepypuff nickname on Ted, because goddamn.

Yeah, I don't need a pity fuck. I'd rather go without.

You're stuck with reality and are responsible for your own choices. Plan accordingly.

Social pressure is not coercion, and the world is not obliged to conform to your desires. Sorry.

Never said that was me, only that it isn't rape. You're arguing against a point I'm not making.

People can decide for themselves what they want and what they'll settle for.

Because I've said people are responsible for giving consent?

apparently, post 94.

seriously... you went everywhere but "look at how she was dressed" in denying the intimidation factor in daterape.

(now watch as he claims date rape isn't REALLY rape)

Please let me supply my own responses to your points.

Intimidation does make sexual contact non-consensual. But a person is not intimidated simply because they are presented with undesirable responses to their refusal to consent.

"Have sex with me or I'll beat you," is a precursor to rape.

"Have sex with me or I'll leave you," is not.

Holy shit I did not literally think you would be on Dennis's side in the implication argument.

So basically you think Harvey Weinstein is a political prisoner.

Paladin has a long history of siding with predators and abusers, but since they're usually political or economic predators and abusers, people mistook his sociopathy for "principles."

Kind of how you side with Roman Polanski, huh?

I wonder how Paladin really feels about Polanski. After all, his victim eventually "let him do it," and statutory rape laws are morally similar to child labour laws, which I'm sure he disagrees with...

No. Weinstein was found guilty of rape and sexual assault. Justly as near as I can tell.

Sexual abuse of children is a very serious crime and should be punished severely. Statutory rape and child labor laws are not morally similar.

I don't recall Weinstein's intimidation involving beatings. It was all about making and destroying careers, wasn't it? That's the sort of intimidation you're totally cool with, isn't it?

So you believe a 10 year old should be able to legally consent to working in a coal mine, but a 13 year old can't consent to sleeping with a potential employer?

You're making this shit up as you go, aren't you?

There is no circumstance where a 13-year-old sleeping with an adult is of benefit. The act itself is harmful.

In advanced countries, 10-year-olds should not been working as they are better off in school. In poorer, less advanced societies, it might be better for the child (and the child's family) if the child worked and earned income.

From your perspective, what's the difference between working as a prostitute and working as a coal miner?

Wow this is about how I expected a rape thread to go, but I didn't anticipate @Paladin quadrupling down.

"Do A or else B" is pretty much the mechanics of how a threat/extortion works.
The absence of physical violence doesn't negate that.

I mean either one will turn you in to a country music song.

"Get a job or I'll leave you."

Take her away, officers.

You're not thinking of prostituting the children, are you?

Because if we're talking about adults, then there's no difference. There may be some social stigma from working as a prostitute, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Should a woman be permitted to offer sex in exchange for money or favors?

wow... you just moved those goal posts to a whole 'nother field didn't you?

anyways...

I used your definition.

I suggest that your "Do A or else B" definition of "threat/extortion" is a little, ah, insufficient. Life is full of such dilemmas and they are not threats or extortion.

"Pay your bill or we'll shut your power off."
"Show up on time or you're fired."
"Stop drinking or I'll divorce you."

How about this one...?

"Have sex with me or I'll leave you."

Or, how about this one...?

"Have sex with me or I'll quit paying for your apartment."

Do the rules change when sex is involved?

you're comparing a tap on the shoulder to a punch in the face and you know it.

all of your examples show an unmet responsibility on the part of the "threatened"

do you think women owe you sex?

Boy tells girl: "We've been going out together for two months. Have sex with me or I'm dating someone else."

What unmet responsibility (in an objective sense) does the girl have in this situation?

Boss tells employee: "We're closing the San Diego office. Accept a transfer to the St. Louis office or we'll have to terminate you."

What unmet responsibility (in an objective sense) does the employee have in this situation?

No. Should she be allowed to offer it to me in exchange for something?

Yeah, that can be used in spousal rape complaints.

that soudns a little like a sugar daddy arrangement... although it'd still by definition be extorting sex

generally, yes.

that would be consent.
however, if she reneges, i don't think you can insist on anything other than a refund... and good luck with that.

get turned down by escorts often?

It is a sugar daddy situation. But how is extortion?

Interesting. So you want more intense regulation where sexuality is concerned?