Defund the Police

I wouldn't say that, we just don't have the same bias towards wanting to automatically think the best of US history and despite some people having big blind spots the US does actually do well on recognising a bunch of stuff.

You should see the shit people try to claim here when it comes to historical (and present-day) treatment of our Indigenous peoples, it's at a level that would be career ending for many politicians in the US.

and of course you put yourself among the intelligent people that continue their self-education. You're quite a piece of work there.

See, an intelligent person would refute me. A Donnie-boy lubber would just flame.

Flame on, boy.

It’s unclear how many federal taxes territorial residents ever paid before 1913, but in any case, no territories were acquired that didn’t eventually become states until 1846.

if you are the ultimate result of further education I don't know what kind of message that puts out.

There were no representatives of any colonies in parliament, elected or otherwise. If there had been, the revolution might have been avoided.

And there was no 3/5ths compromise in the Declaration of Independence or Articles of Confederation.

Who, aside from you, said "ultimate"? I have a rusty little B.A. in literature that I earned while you were probably [barely] toilet trained. I'm always learning new things from the world out there, and I have learned more since I graduated that you will ever know because you only believe information that already concurs with what you believe.

Now, either cut the bullshit misdirection and refute my post, or go back to your lame-ass jokes that nobody finds funny.

I wonder if representation in Parliament would have made any real difference in the falling out between the colonies and Britain. It's nice to think that it would have, but I think it's just as likely that the American delegates would have been relegated to the back benches, effectively marginalized and possibly even ignored. Representation would not have changed the fundamental issues, such as the debts left over from the French and Indian War and the problems caused by the out of control British East India Company.

Proof that capitalism really does fuck everything up.
Sure, it sometimes helps out, buuuut...

British perspective of the time:

Wikipedia summary of virtual representation:

Mine was better....

We could borrow from Trump!

MCNA - Make Cops Nice Again.

Has the benefit that someone could rework YMCA as a backing track.

There's been some tension between that cop and the Native American dude lately, and not in a good way.

Whilst doubtless factually accurate, I'm not sure what this brings to bear as far as the debate is concerned?

The disclaimers of "unclear" and "eventually" (not to mention the point which has been laboured that US citizenship was never part of the conversation prior to independence for obvious reasons) pretty much play into the point that even the most basic underlying principles of the US have in practise been vague in definition and execution. Whilst in reality that's always an inevitability it really does emphasise that "defund the police" as an epithet is flawed only in ways which are equally applicable to historically lauded and idolised sentiments of yesteryear. Such is the way with slogans, by their nature they will always be imprecise.

A sham even then, and both sides of the pond knew it, as per that article.

Just as much of a sham as thinking that the small minority that could vote after the revolution would genuinely use it to vote for issues that represented those of the majority that couldn't.

we are talking about the collapse and dissolution of a nation, not what some mid level support/supply drone like you saw from an airbase 30 miles away from anything or read in the editorial section of stars and stripes.

your claim to "inside the box" perspectives is kind of self defeating in these instances. Just because you were a waterboy doesn't qualify your opinions in calling the game.

which is why you should've stayed in school?

My understanding is much of the taxation was to repay/cover the costs of the French-Indian wars and the colonists decided that they didn't want to... which I guess contributes to explaining how 250 years later a grifter like 45 runs the country.

FYI, you can get the e-book version of "The End of Policing" for free:

https://www.versobooks.com/books/2426-the-end-of-policing

I wasn't mid level support/supply! Many times we were well ahead and running a FARP (forward air refueling point) or setting up airfields from scratch where we had no security other than what we could provide ourselves. 30 miles from anything? More like 30 feet! Stay in your lane or show your ignorance (which is hilarious to be honest).

To end up being a smarmy shifty holier-than-though tap-dancing useful idiot of the clueless left? I'll take a hard pass on that.

whatever, waterboy...
I'm sure you planted the flag whoever the bad guys were that particular month.
I have friends from there from a few factions... maybe one of them shot at you?

As was pointed out earlier, #BelieveAllWomen isn't really a thing.

FTFY

Actually, that would be called Privatize the Police.

After more research, I can be less equivocal: the territories paid no federal taxes until the estate tax in 1898 (repealed in 1900, reinstitute in 1916). Puerto Rico was the first territory to be subject to it (at the same time as Hawaii and the Philippines). That's a pretty solid run for a slogan, 122 years. A 61-page summary of Alaska's campaign for statehood (and the arguments for and against) doesn't even mention the taxation without representation grievance that DC has, indicating this wasn't even a notional problem for them in the 1940s 1950s. For everything except DC, taxation without representation is a relatively recent phenomenon.

There's a difference between failure to live up to an ideal in a slogan, and a failure to describe the the ideal at all in one. "All men are created equal" works at any time, even if the people who first articulated it either failed to get the idea enacted, or didn't fully believe in it themselves. Ditto "no taxation without representation". "Defund the police" though? No, not really.

I'm not the only one who thinks so, either:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...e-warning-trump-tries-twist-narrative-1297908

Also, more on police unions. https://www.chicagoreader.com/chica...raternal-order-of-police/Content?oid=80542709

Break the police unions now.