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  1. K.

    K. Sober

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    Stealing a TV didn't use to be called terrorism when that word still had a meaning, but murdering innocent civilians for political gain certainly did.
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  2. Tuckerfan

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    They’re certainly an indication that we’re trending towards civil war.
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  3. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Yes, exactly right. Cops getting away with shit like that directly encourages other cops to do MORE shit like that. Fuck's sake . . .
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  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So you believe non-uniformed, unarmed ordinary citizens have a right - maybe even an obligation - to resist. Or do they have to be carrying? Just so we're clear.
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  5. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    The first resort is legal action through the courts. But if citizens see a police officer exercising unjustified force, the very least they should do is record the event. History demonstrates that cops have no problem lying about things like that. A bit more difficult to lie when it's on video. IF the event is egregious enough, they should intervene. You know things have gotten bad in a country when there's active armed resistance to duly authorized police forces. That bespeaks a complete breakdown of the trust necessary between the citizenry and the police, and that is very much the direction we're currently headed. Once police actions are seen as arbitrary and/or corrupt, it's over. Police go from civil servants to public enemies and then hilarity ensues.
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  6. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Oh, I should also note that a lot of police forces seem to be completely oblivious to the erosion of trust that their actions are causing.
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  7. Jenee

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    Have you even been paying attention the last 27 years? Or do you only listen toFox and the NRA channel?
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  8. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    It's been going on far longer than that.
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  9. Jenee

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    True, but the Rodney king riots brought it to the attention of more white Americans than previously.
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  10. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I really should know better by now than to engage with you, dimwit, but there's a pretty obvious difference between a slow boil and an impending explosion.
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  11. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The crimes committed by the rioters are substantially more than stealing televisions, and most instances of what you refer to as "murdering innocent civilians" involve neither murder nor innocent civilians.

    But be that as it may, you favor retribution against groups, races, and class enemies, over civil justice for the individuals involved. You are the modern equivalent of a lynch mob.
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  12. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    They are free to protest all they want. They are not free to steal or destroy my shit, and by attempting to go through me to get to it, they become the aggressor, and I am 100% justified in defending myself.
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  13. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yeah, like the ones in Salt Lake City who splashed red paint on a public building and are facing 10-year sentences. :sroll:
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  14. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    I will respond to force with proportionate force. If you try to kill me to take my banana, I will try to kill you right back. :shrug:
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  15. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    AFAIK, there are no protests in your hometown. But you're armed and ready, aren't ya? You're more likely to be busted for riding your bike on the sidewalk than defending your banana from looters.
  16. Jenee

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    So, no. You haven’t been paying attention.
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  17. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    They're aware, but they don't give a fuck.
    Why should they?
    It's a "what are you gonna do about it?", situation.
    If our broken institutions aren't going to shut them down, then we've got to shoot the bastards, but the nanosecond we do, the "see the violence in the commies!!!", headlines drop, and more fucking rednecks truck in to kill innocents, and on, and on, and on down the death spiral.
    So, we've gotta hope that the Ghandi approach works, keep taking the beatings, and hope they get so vile, even the MAGAs puke.
    Which.....is gonna be a fucking while, because the MAGAs are pretty far-fucking-gone.
    You'd've thought beating up housewives and grannies would have done it, but the Dinners of the world will just claim every granny, 8 year old, baby, fetus, goldfish is "Antifa!! Antifa!!".
    So....we might just be fucked.
    :shrug:
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  18. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    More of the usual, insubstantial background noise you contribute. And I'm not going to get busted riding on something that is explicitly labeled a bike lane. They overlap here. For someone who seems to think she knows so much about my city, you are consistently ignorant.
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  19. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I know you by your posts. But enough about you. Are there protests in your town?
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    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Not recently. And nothing on the ridiculous scale of larger cities. What do you care? Oh, I get it. It absolves you of any need to respond to my actual point. More tap-dancing and prevarication. I doubt anyone expected this shit to jump off in fucking Kenosha either, but it's always better to pretend nothing bad can ever happen to you than it is to confront any need to prepare for it, right? Throw out your spare tires and fire extinguishers, you fucking hack bullshitter.
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  21. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I was thinking more of the guy who was shot dead by Antifa the other night, but, sure, yeah, that paint's a real menace, too.
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  22. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Your actual point was your willingness to defend your banana from anyone trying to take it from you by force. Considering no one is - nor has in the past, AFAIK - you're playing the tough guy to an empty theater.
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  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Kindly stop playing the idiot for a few minutes. The guy who was shot was shot by another guy, not by an entire nebulous group you've decided are more of a menace than Kyle Rittenhouse, whose Organized Militia of One double murder predates the shooting by your buddy Joe Antifa.

    One doesn't justify the other, but the contortions you're going through to claim extenuating circumstances for poor widdle Kyle are impressive. I mean, you were brave enough to venture back into the RR after your self-imposed exile. How cool is that?
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  24. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Ope!
    Time to update the scoreboard!

    Antifa death count = 0 1 (ever)

    Militant-right death count = 106 ( just since 2001)
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  25. Jenee

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    So, you want to bitch about “antifa” ( which is more of an ideology than a group with membership) killing a, presumably, good guy with a gun, but not so much about a radicalized teenager who killed two people.
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  26. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That's the funny thing about Antifa...when it comes to taking responsibility for their actions, no one seems to actually be part of it.
    It may be early to declare Rittenhouse guilt-free, but there's not really any evidence that he committed ANY murder, and plenty of evidence to argue against it.
    Doesn't take bravery to post here. It takes a willingness to put up with idiocy.
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  27. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Oooh! Oooh! Add cops and black people!
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  28. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    A: "I'm Antifa!"
    B: "I'm Antifa!"
    C: "I'm Antifa!" (shoots innocent person)
    D: "Hey! That Antifa dude just killed a guy!"
    A,B: "Antifa's not an actual group!"
    The dead guy didn't have a gun as far as I know. He was just shot while walking down the street.
    The ADL reviewed Rittenhouse's social media footprint and came up with no extremist connections. Radical is what you're putting on him, not what he actually is.
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  29. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    If anyone in leftforge said that, you know they'd get called a snowflake.
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  30. Jenee

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    The person responsible is the person who committed the crime. That person may well be left leaning, may be a Democrat, may even be anti-fascist.
    but that doesn’t make antifa an organized anything.

    Bullshit. I posted the police report.
    pretty sure @Paladin has me on ignore. Would someone like to respost that police report for him?