Of course @Diacanu marks it tl;dr because he's intellectually dishonest and doesn't want an actual discussion because it's easier to slap a transphobe label on someone rather than listen to what they actually have to say the subject.
For everyone that is clutching their pearls when it comes to women’s sports, I wonder when the last time you paid to go to a women’s sports event was. WNBA, NWSL, Women’s Rugby, hell let’s throw in Roller Derby. When is the last time you put money down to watch women athletes perform? To be completely honest I didn’t go to as many Reign matches as I’d like. Playing at Memorial Stadium (owned by Seattle Public Schools) you couldn’t have beer in the stands. Had to go to a beer garden just outside. But no kids. So I had to go with someone else and we could switch off. So it had probably been 8ish months before Corona hit. But I bought merch and watched on TV. How many sudden Women’s Sports White Knights can claim the same?
Not all women have the same muscle/bone structure. Even “average” women vary greatly in muscle and bone mass. I knew a girl in basic trading could beat the run time fastest run time for an 18 year old male. But could bare pass her push up test. I was the opposite. Aced my push-ups but can’t and never could run for shit. Men are the same way. Come in all shapes and sizes. If a woman is competing in MMA, she’s probably already beaten most men senseless. If a man undergoes gender reassignment just so he can compete against women in an MMA arena, most likely, he already has an FBI profile and is being watched anyway. Joe Rogan was, apparently, talking out of his male, butt-clutching, must protect women, ass.
If men really wanted to protect women, there’d start listening when women tell you their husband/boyfriend was trying to hurt them rather than patting her in the head and telling her that his new gun is not anything to worry about. Seems men only want to protect women when it’s other women who might be doing the harm.
One of the shapeliest, most goddamn beautiful women I've ever seen can powerlift more than I can, because her fiance is a strongman and taught her HOW to lift and she is naturally limber (pole dancer) and trains much harder than I do. I've got 150lb on her easily, but it's mostly flab and even though I CAN bulk up if the damn gym isn't in lockdown, I'm not gonna bet on avoiding a beatdown even if I were so inclined. Fiance or otherwise.
interesting! I learned something new. I didn't know what men have faster reaction times than women. Of course I googled it, and Rogan is right. That's one more advantage a former male has in a fight. So think about it: what is one of the main reasons all fighters go to shit and get KO'd more easily as they get older? Their reactions are just a tiny bit slower than the younger fighter. The older fighter might just be better conditioned, stronger and very likely better skilled. But that slightly longer reaction time (fractions of a millisecond) gets them KO'd and once that chin is gone it's career over. Bottom line harsh reality trumps well intentioned theory every time.
Yes and that harsh reality is what liberals don't want to face because it means mean old tranphobic Joe Rogan is right.
What @oldfella1962, @The Ghost of Crazy Horse, and @JoeRogan do not understand is ..., well, more than I have time to type. But, specifically in relation to gender reassignment and differences between men and women, is monumental. I suggest, instead of googling "people who have expressed views that are similar to mine", try "what all is involved with gender reassignment".
Nobody ever said some women can't beat up some men. That's totally unrelated to what we are talking about. Side note you outweigh another adult human by 150 pounds? Are you well over six feet tall or what? And I don't want to bust you out here but if the gym were open you could lose flab and "bulk up?" Dude, sell that BS somewhere else. Not having a gym is a weak sauce excuse. Kettlebells, dumbbells, a chin-up bar and a rucksack take up about six square feet of floor/closet space. But most importantly discipline & motivation reside within every person on this planet, all you need to do is engage it.
if people want to "gender reassign" more power to them! I'm just saying that when it comes to competitive sports (especially fighting sports) the science says it's a bad fucking idea.
Nova explained puberty blockers in excruciating detail and clearly your ass just went . Or else you the memory away. I'm not redoing her hard work for you.
Both of these posts are prime examples of you both (and Rogan) not know what you are talking about. Many more things are happening than just cutting off a penis. The type of re-assignment (social transition vs medical transition), is going to determine how far a trans person can or even will go into becoming their preferred gender. This is why I encourage you to read about it on your own. However, within the context of this conversation, a full medical transition involves hormone therapy that changes not just physical differences (facial hair and muscle growth to name a few) but also little differences that most people don't even realize are male/female traits. Did you know that men can click a pen faster than women? Did you know women are more steady when it comes to ... "delicate" procedures - such as surgery, soldering electronic parts, hell, even welding. Women do these things better than men, but men will deny it to their dying breath. The point is, if a post op transgender woman is competing in MMA, she doesn't have any advantage over a natural born female who has trained for the same goal.
Cardio is needed to burn fat. Not lifts. I've got plenty of weights in the house. I mixed up average female weight as 75lb not 75kg because vodka. Still, that's a 70lb difference between her and me. Oh, and Mister "too fucking lazy to engage my brain" doesn't get to lecture me on motivation and discipline.
Bull...mother...fucking...shit. There are several advantages and you either ignored them or denied them. So what can I say but believe what you want to believe - thank goodness you aren't making the decision to put trans females into MMA to compete against natural females. Last time I checked nobody in MMA was welding or clicking pens in the cage.
Last time I checked, the MMA champion wasn't a transwoman. And no ciswoman "got her skull cracked open" by one. Just like no ciswoman has been assaulted in a bathroom by a transwoman, or a cismale posing as one. But hey, let's just keep legislating based on scare mongering fairy tales. What a good way to run a county! Liberty! Liberty! Liberty! Liberty! Unless someone who used to have a pee-pee might see my pee-pee! Then...
What advantages? Please find something posted in a medical journal, that supports some sort of advantage. As I said, the hormone treatments deteriorate any advantage a male would have over a female. https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096 Women have body fat even through their muscles. Men do not. Where the body fat is, is also different. That quote is under the topic "After the procedure". Hormone therapy (which decreases muscle mass) occurs for at least one year before a medical procedure, depending on the age, longer.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the number of men transitioning into women and then fighting in the MMA (or continuing to do so) is so small as to be statistically insignificant. Is this actually a problem, or is this akin to the grave threat posed to our nation's bathrooms by the trans population?
It is a bias based on assumptions uninformed by actual events. Fox was an entirely mediocre fighter with a short, unimpressive record, who inflicted no injuries not common to fights between cis-women and the one person the Pharisees accuse her of beating bloody...she never fought and they were not on the circuit at the same time. Rational conclusions are based on facts Bias reaches and clings to a conclusion regardless of the appearance of facts to the contrary. Bias leads to prejudice, left uncorrected. There's literally ZERO real world results to support the assumption of inherent advantage. However reasonable it might have seemed as an initial hypothesis. I assume you are aware of the Scientific Method? 1. Form hypothesis 2. Test hypothesis 3. Revise conclusions based on the results of the test. In this case... Hypothesis: males have an inherent natural advantage and will thus dominate regularly in competition with females (hypothesis takes as a supporting premise that trans women are effectively males) The hypothesis has been tested in hundreds if not thousands of contests ranging in age from puberty to middle age in all sorts of sports. NO pattern of dominance occurred, and indeed trans competitors seldom win (as a proportion of all winners) and there exists no known example of a trans female who hasn't lost to a cis female. Hypothesis failed. You and Rogan should revise your conclusions accordingly - to not do so is bias. Bias in the face of contrary facts is prejudice.
Distraction. It's the human equivalent of "Hey, look, squirrel!" in the dog world. Let's not address serious issues when we can be all OUTRAGED about the trivial but tabloid-worthy. It's what gave the world Donald J. Trump.
You can't do cardio by running? You can wear a mask while running if you want to you know. You are allowed outside to exercise - I posted a sample of the rules in England. If you don't want to run with a mask you can fill a rucksack with light dumbbells or rocks or canned goods or whatever and walk very briskly which isn't too bad wearing a mask. There's your cardio right there. You could get a jump rope - you can do cardio without even going outside. So I'm too lazy to engage my brain? I engage it enough to get off my ass and not make excuses. And you're going to tell me about burning fat? BTW cardio is not necessary to burn fat. I've provided links of course. The main purpose of cardio should be to keep your heart/cardio vascular system healthy for the vast majority of the population. In my experience I've found that doing cardio helps me keep my fat percentage down, but the main ingredient (no pun intended) is eating healthy. You can incorporate your cardio into your weight lifting depending on your fitness goals. Regardless, you already have all the tools and you are allowed to go outside to do cardio. What am I missing here? You aren't in a prison cell where it's really challenging to get or stay fit. England The UK government roadmap for lifting lockdown means people in England can walk outside in groups of six from Monday 29 March. We are working towards starting Ramblers organised walks and activities from Monday 12 April. For now, you must continue to stay local and avoid non-essential travel. You must not travel to Scotland or Wales. Walking with family & friends: You can currently walk outdoors once a day as part of your daily exercise – by yourself, with members of your household or support bubble, or with one other person. From Monday 29 March, two households, or groups of up to six, will be able to get together for informal walks. Do I have to do cardio to lose weight? | Weight Loss - Sharecare Here's What 3 Pro Bodybuilders Do For Cardio — Fitbod Do You Need Cardio For Fat Loss? | Muscle & Strength (muscleandstrength.com) Why Jump Rope is the Best Cardio Workout - JUMP ROPE DUDES This Jump Rope Workout Might Become Your New Favorite At-Home Cardio Routine | SELF
