Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

I'm supposed to believe Khan didn't have a harem of other wives he left home?
Or that he didn't jerk off into a test tube for posterity?

You're supposed to assume Khan, like all men, have no children.

Genghis, arguably the most famous Khan, is best known for having no descendants.

"Related to Khan" also doesn't have to mean one of HIS offspring.

Scenario: The guy who genetically engineered Khan used his own DNA to produce the embryo that got enhanced. Khan is therefore his "son". Said guy also had natural-born kids who were unenhanced. La'an is a descendent of one of those - tainted by association (particularly if she has chosen genetics as a career...) with the results of her father's experiments, even though she's not enhanced herself.

Spock has a secret half brother, a secret adoptive sister and now he served with a secret Khan descendent that he failed to mention to both Kirk and Khan. Man, I wish people would have been this forgiving when Enterprise was on.

When you meet an Asian person do you immediately list off all the other Asians you've met previously?

Or assume that a random Khan MUST be related to a presumed-dead superhuman from 300 years ago?

FF is presuming Spock learns of La'an's connection to KHAAAAAANNNN, rather than her being anything other than a human named Khan. In which case we should be calling Picard out for not telling Scotty he met (and later watched his First Officer kill) his wunderkind descendant who "made captain faster than anyone in Starfleet" in Conspiracy.

FF presumes much. Like us not being weary regarding his shit.

I don’t pressure shit, we saw in Space Seed that Spock had to look up who Khan was. You’re telling me that he didn’t make any connection to the person that served on the ship with him? We know they plan on exploring her background so you’re also telling me that Spock isn’t going to be involved in that in any way? Come on. It’s probably going to yet another classified situation or something like that.

No more than I assume the Hugh Jones I work with is related to famous singer Tom Jones.

Khan is a pretty common Indian surname.

And yes, it is entirely possible Spock isn't going to find out her secret, because she's keeping it secret. Whilst I'm sure SOMEONE will find out, that person may choose not to reveal it.

How much research do you normally do on your coworkers and their ancestors?

A lot of I suspect they might be related to a murderous dictator from 300 years in the past that you just woke up and let onto your ship and the Federation had banned genetic enhancement and you’re wondering why your former co-worker was never investigated by Starfleet.

To be fair, Federal Farmer may have a point. If La'an is a descendant of Khan then it's going to come up as a plot point. It'll have to be said, at a minimum, on screen. There's a high likelihood that Spock will be made aware of the connection - though admittedly it's possible he'll be insulated from the disclosure. But if Spock does find out it may make his character reactions in TOS inconsistent. We'll have to see, but over-reliance on nostalgia in prequels often ends up looking stupid and this could be another one of those situations.

I smell...implausible retro-continuity.

I will not admit that FF has a point, but the whole Michael Burnham subplot about being Spock's half-sister was entirely unnecessary to moving Discovery's storyline forward. Prove me wrong.

This reeks of the same kind of fan-pandering.

You’re right. Her relationship to Vulcans in general has not helped the plot or character in a
meaningful enough way to justify the retcon.

Final episode...

Section 31 agent- You have to shut up about La-aan, or we'll phaser you for treason.

Crew- Yes sir.

The end.

And La'an was never spoken of again.

I hope it's more along the lines of "she's an Augment" rather than "do you know who her great great great grandfather was?"

The Nietzcheans from Andromeda weren't the worst idea ever, I wouldn't mind seeing a proper Star Trek version of that.

Exactly my point. Just like they did with Discovery so what’s the point of even having the character in the first place other than for fan service and speculation?

Honestly, I just pretend everything after Voyager is alternative universe.

The three reboot films for sure. That is canon.

Why not Enterprise, Discovery and whatever else they are making now?

Infinite universes and timeline altering events have already been well established in multiple series.

The current crop of writers can insist otherwise since they own the rights and that's fine.

I'm also free to disregard them and their retcons.

Makes it more enjoyable for me that way.

On a related note a friend recently posted something about how Star Wars is too self-referential and one of the replies he got was, "I’ve always been annoyed by their need to explain every single damn backstory and it’s just not necessary. I don’t need to see Luke and Biggs killing wamp [sic] rats in his T-16 back home or flying through Beggar’s Canyon or seeing the Falcon make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs or what caused the dent in Boba Fett’s helmet. Give me something fresh and new in the Star Wars realm."

Someone else replied, "You don't want to know how Han Solo got his belt buckle?"

on the IMDB page there's ANOTHER Noonian Singh (WITHOUT the hyphen, which, WTF is the hyphen all about?) which some speculate as a potential brother or something?

You had t o get me started didn't you?

Enterprise IS an alternate timeline, albeit one can debate the extent to which it was altered.

How do I know?

First Contact.

Stranded Borg literally appeared on Enterprise, thus FC changed history. Personally I prefer to assume that all the Discovery/SNW stuff is in this post-FC timeline, thus the subtly different appearance of some things and they seemingly more advanced tech like the virtual screens. Possibly some outgrowth of Borg tech, or a series of events that developed from access to that tech. But that's somewhat more speculative.

So if this is right - and it has to be - then the Enterprise>Discovery timeline was created BEFORE the Kelvim-timeline ... and after the Mirror universe?

Anyway, it's all rather neat, IMO, as a retcon for why Pike's Enterprise isn't going to be just like it was in The Cage, and why Disco seeped too advanced for when it was built.

TBH, I don't see why anyone else in the crew needs to know about Khan - and it's plausible that even SHE doesn't know. You bring up S31, one of the easiest ways to handle it is to have them explain to her (and her "brother") about Starfleet's dim view of augmentation and that it's in their best interest to keep their mouths shut about it. Khan's name specifically never has to come up.

Thinking about the Khan thing, when's the last time any of you watched "Space Seed"? It's been a couple of years for me, so my memory of the episode isn't exactly sharp, but there's a couple of things that I remember about it: One is that chick falling for Khan is pretty kludgey. The other thing is that Kirk, and I think McCoy and Scotty, had a bit of respect for Khan when they learned about his history. They didn't agree with his methods or the things that he'd done, but the fact that he'd become a ruler of a large chunk of the Earth was something to be in awe of. Akin to having respect for one of the Roman emperors, while forgetting about the whole slavery thing and violent conquest of large swaths of the Mediterranean. Spock, by contrast, tries to raise objections and expresses concerns about who they're dealing with, only to be laughed at by Kirk and the others.

I share a surname with a particular Englishman who's not well-loved by the Spanish. Supposedly, his actions against the Spanish in the 16th Century are such that his name is basically a curse word in Spain today. While there are things about his actions that I admire (as I've read a biography of him), I'm not about to wage war on Spain. What would the Spanish make of me were I to visit their country? Would they automatically assume that I was planning on launching an invasion force and sacking much of their country? (I should point out that had this particular Englishman been a bit bolder when he invaded Spain, he could have taken the country entirely, but instead, he decided to wait for reinforcements that never arrived, and wound up leaving the country when the Spanish were able to regroup their forces.) Or would they have a chuckle at my name, and offer to tell me their side of the story? I don't know. I'd like to think that they'd buy me a tinto de verano and we'd all have a laugh at how fucked up things were in the past and they'd know I wasn't there to murder them, but just to soak up the sights and history of the country.

Pics

So we have the Starfleet insignia, the CBS logo, and... what's the Q thingy?

It's on a red uniform, so it's probably a futuristic "aim right here" bullseye.