Roe v. Wade

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  1. Tererune

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    It has always been a whitewashed lie that the US is some sort of religious free democracy. The christian religion and church has been enshrined in our government and lives since the creation of the US. You can quote whatever you want, including the first amendment, but it has always been so. We have been lied to, and when we have tried to live up to those words we have always had the religious fascist right win there to tell us no. We have always had to fight against the states imposing religious law upon us, and now we have had the courts voted out of our hands by the religious majority in this country because we dared establish the small protections of Roe. Ever since Roe was establ;ished it has been a battle cry for the religious right on taking away the lip service to freedom from religion, and every step we have made has only enraged the right to elect their fascist leaders so that they could weaken and destroy the only check against the tyranny of the majority over the people.

    They finally won. They finally got enough nominations to secure the court in a fascist religious agreement with the fascist religious states that have always been in command of american bodies. The right has finally destroyed the progress away from religion that has happened over the course of the past 200 years of religious tyranny. This is because rights not fought for are not rights people value.

    This shit should have always been legislated into our freedoms, but we cannot do that when over half the people in this country value fascism. Over half this country values religious law over the freedom of others. Christian law has always been the law of the land. Giving lip service to freedom from it does not work when you live in a community tainted by the cult to an extreme. When you allow morality laws based on those religious beliefs to have a hold, you allow religious tyranny over people. You have to outlaw religious morality laws, and you cannot have them imposed on everyone and enshrined in the state and federal constitutions.

    It is not just with abortion. It is with drugs, sex, taxation, and everything else. The motivation of our laws has to be logic and the social contract and not religious beliefs.
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  2. TheLonelySquire

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    What kind of restrictions are you talking about? I support mandatory training, waiting period, background checks, etc.
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    Move to California, maybe? Honestly, I understand why you're pissed off. I'm libertarian now more than anything. I don't give a crap what you do as long as you're not infringing upon my family and you're not hurting kids. You might be surprised that I support most of you idiots more than you could possibly imagine. Not that you care, nor should you.
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  4. Tererune

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    I will be honest with you. If you do give a shit about people's freedoms to be themselves as long as it does not unreasonable harm others then my disagreements with you are just arguments. There are certain things that violate our social contract. We have property and money so stealing is wrong. You do not assault or kill people. We have to have certain public safety rules so you do not endanger other people's physical safety. I believe that our children are a special protected class of developing humans that it is in society's best interest to not be sexual with and giuve consideration to when they do wrong. Also anything that might physically damage their physical development should be restricted to only medically necessary procedures. This is why I am willing to have discussion on when gender affirming medical care that involves physical alteration of the body and it's development should occur. That does not involve expressing one's self as the gender opposite that which your genitals show. However, surgeries should be postponed until the body stops growing, and irreversible hormonal treatment should only be done with psychiatric monitoring and the continued uninfluenced consent of the child.

    Since you want to play this game, I do not believe you are neutral or libertarian. You support organizations which seek to impose religious ideals and morals on people. You openly support the republican party who has openly gone against abortion and is now targetting birth control based upon religious beliefs and not scientific evidence, reason, or logic. I will agree we need a defined line where the fetus becomes a living human who is now involved in the social contract of life. That means there is a point where that life, no matter how dependant on the parents for it's conception, cannot be killed or abused because we do not allow those things by law in society. However, that is a differentiated protected class as are parents because we recognize in raising a child the parents may need to deprive the child of their wants and desires for purposes of health and punishment. You may have to deprive a crying child of a peanut butter sandwich if they have a deathly peanut allergy. You may have to restrict a child to their room for purposes of punishment. You may have to take away a child's property for purposes of punishment.

    The people you support have shown they wish the state to go beyond and enforce moral and ethical censorship and restrictions on children and consenting adults. There is no damage done to a child by exposing them to the existence and stories which involve the existence of same sex and transgendered couples. As a matter of fact, since society has them we should be teaching our kids they exist as we teach them that straight couples exist and cisgendered people exist. As part of the social contract we should be teaching them that these people are human and should be respected as individuals with feeling and are part of our ethical and moral social contract so abusing them is as wrong as abusing a straight cisgendered person. That is opposite of the moral values being pushed by religious organizations and the republican party that you support. those organizations want it enshrined in our social contract that you can abuse and discriminate against GLBT people based upon your freedom to practice your religion as it harms no one else unreasonably in the public square.

    I do not know what you want to do. Whether you demand your party and religious organization change it's views that GLBT people should not be discriminated against in the public social contracts of laws and government, or you want to come out and support non-republican people in their efforts as they do not oppose the social contract of liberty. However, you clearly have to do something because your endorsement is beyond being complicit at this point and has crossed into opposition of liberty.

    You will note that I do not support the banning and cancellation of things I oppose morally and ethically. I have never called for the banning of the right, and even defend people like chapelle who speak poorly of GLBT people. I am cool with their ability to propogate their ideas in a free exchange of ideas. I do not like and completely disagree with their ideas, but they need to have a place to say them, and I even think if corporations chose not to platform them the government should provide a platform for their speech online. If it ever gets to the point that no corporation will put stormfront on the internet, I feel that the US government should provide them an IP and if needed a pipeline to the internet. I am not saying it needs to be big, and they should be doing as much of the work as possible to fund it, but if they cannot get it anywhere else the government should have to do it. I would say the same for TYT or planned parenthood type of organizations.

    So I do not believe you at all, and your support of the censors, fascist culture, and the church is why. Your actions prove you lie when you say you are actually accepting and give a fuck about liberty because no one who does could do anything but hate those things you support.
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    Intimidation with a threat of violence and political motivation, isn’t there a word for that?
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    Ask the people protesting in Florida at the Disney park there...
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    How is it different than anti-abortion protestors who confront people at clinics?
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    Dude thinks that each state is an entity on it's own - like it's own country or something. He doesn't understand that they are part of the United States. Like trump and FF, he has no idea how, why, or even when this country was formed. Hell, he thinks God himself created the United States.
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    Bonus if the child is black or brown.
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    Jenee, you're the dumbest cunt this side of AOC. You must have spent a lot of time on your back because you certainly didn't spend any in the classroom.
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    Oh that's funny, considering you partook in the American 'education system'.
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    You are just angry she is not sucking your dick. All you have to do is get a brokedick jeep and show up at wherever she is and she will suck away. Stop being so angry, she lika the fascist asshole nubby mushroom.
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    I wish I was as dumb as AOC, but alas, she has done more to enhance her intelligence than I have. Obviously way more than you have. You and Lanz must have gone to the same public schools as you both seem to be under the impression AOC lacks intelligence.

    As for "on my back", ... dude, that isn't the insult you think it is. I am very happy that God created my body with pleasure sensors and I do enjoy engaging in activities that activate those pleasure sensors. That you deny them yourself and, worse, your wife's, is a testament to your inability to take pleasure in the simple things God gave you. God hates you for that.
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    I definitely do give a shit about people's freedoms, yours included. I don't care what you do, what you want to call yourself, or who you marry or shack up with. I've got too much going on to care. Just don't ask me to consider your actions to be morally acceptable and something to be normalized. That won't happen, but I'll defend your right to live your life as you so choose.

    **your posts are way too long, btw.**
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    Well, that was your best post in a long while :garamet:
    Also, agreed. Diet Async, one calorie. Not enough.
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    I've been saying this for years, but some people simply don't want to admit it.
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    Literally no one gives a fuck what you consider "morally acceptable".
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  18. Tererune

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    normalized is the problematic judgment. Yes, it is fucking normal. GLBT shit happens all the time across multiple gendered species. It is natural. It is as normal as sex which you for some reason freak out over also. These things are not only normal but are intricately woven into the survival needs of multiple strains of life on this planet, including humans. reproduction and gender are as normal as eating and you for some reason have perverted it into a sin. Your morals are not facts. Your morals are not even rational or logical in some cases. You are not liberal when you try to impose those wrong opinions on people who are not harming you in any other way than your taste.
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    That is because you admit to actions that directly conflict with it like supporting the fascist right. I can say I am your best friend all I want, but it does not make it true when my actions clearly show otherwise. You are lying.
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    And that's fine by me that you feel that way. You're also not looking for acceptance from me or anyone like me, so I don't see that we have any issue. And I'm not a liberal. Are you saying I can't have an opinion on morality as long as I'm all for equal treatment under the law?
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    Oh - what you named there aren't restrictions, those are just steps you have to take to get a gun

    No when I say restrictions I mean taking guns out of people's hands and prohibiting the sale of them - for the children, of course

    Given your unwavering support of the safety of children you'd have to support that too, right?
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    Tolerance was never going to be enough for the left, they want conformity and obedience.
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    You are a liar.
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    They laser focus on anything they perceive as wrong speak and conveniently ignore the times you say something they agree with. To them, everyone is a Trumpanzee Nazi, they can't see past, "Orange Man Bad, Fire Bad, aaarrgh!"
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    Guess what, buttercup?

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    "I give to charity, build bridges, create jobs, but fuck just one goat, and they call you the goat fucker! :weep:".

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    Clown boy/Mr. Facepalm jr./ Mr. GFY has spoken.:hail:
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    You needn't spoiler that. It's not a secret. Dumbass.