The god of Liberty is a hungry god. Child Sacrifice Uvalde edition. [UNLV Update]

Kinda meaningless without that assumption.

Only to your narrow, explicitly dishonest thinking. Firearms are just a tool in the toolbox.

Boy, UA really hates women.
All his slurs are vagina and voice pitch based.

I'm sure diplomacy and wit are in the toolbox.
And that the toolbox is locked up tight, because you don't bring it here.

If that's a genuine question, polling suggests around 7% of Australians think our gun laws are too strict.

Interesting fact: there are more guns in the country now than there were in 1996, it's main a change towards those useful for farmers and sport shooters rather than those used in mass shootings.

Where did I say that?

I personally (yes, even here in Australia) have known gun owners who I wouldn't describe that way.

The US presently spends $225 billion each year on mental health programs. Clearly, it's not enough. I'd suggest that by switching to UHC, we could spend that money more efficiently, and thus might be able to solve the problem without changes to where the US spends the rest of its money, but we already know you're opposed to that. So, that leaves three options: 1.) Cut the Federal budget in some other area to fund more spending on mental health programs. What areas do you suggest get cut? 2.) Change insurance regulations so that insurance companies have to offer mental health coverage that's comparable to physical health coverage. 3.) Raise taxes. Which, if any of these, do you support?

The problem with banning is that the US won't work like Canada, or Australia, not yet. Maybe on down the line, but the US is obsessed with something those two countries have managed to moderate: the combination of individualism, taken to the extreme, and we fucking love violence. We love violence in this country. The United States would be farcical in its love of overly militaristic display were this some kind of movie straight out of Hollywood. We think we're John Rambo surrounded by enemies at every corner. Look at how we refer to the rest of the world: nations in Africa we call it our own backyard. Why? We've placed our bases all around the world and say that nations we've surrounded with bases are being provocative towards us. Our media literally puts military contractors on its news panels and calls them experts and ambassadors, and lets them say whatever the hell they want without any real pushback. These are the people who work for Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, BAE systems, and speaking of that, we have the world's largest active military, a budget so fucking huge that it dwarfs the next 10 countries, including those countries we claim are a grave threat to the "free" world.

Remember Detroit in Robocop? Crime ridden, violence laden, corporate project headed by OCP? That whole film was a commentary on the culture of the United States in the 1980s, and it has only gotten worse since then. The US' fetish for overwhelming police and military action has only increased, especially after 9/11, it seems our collective bloodlust couldn't be sated, and it still hasn't been sated as we send "lethal aid" to Ukraine, and troops into Somalia. We don't only bring shock and awe to the dirt farmers in deserts, we bring it right here into our own churches, our own theaters, our own schools. The mindset that overwhelming firepower is the answer to law and order, to some sense of perverted justice, that is how this country does its business. Is it any wonder that its people would absorb this message? If you're thinking I'm blaming violent movies and games, I'm not, those don't cause people to behave violently. They are windows into how we think, what we consume, what entertains us, but they don't make us violent. If anything, they can be cathartic, they can give us outlets to let some of that frustration release. The problem is the ever present squeezing of everything around us in this country, knowing that no time is truly our own.

There's a joke that says in most countries a person will be taking a vacation for a week, so send all requests to such and such person instead, whereas in the US, a worker will say they're away from their desk having kidney surgery, but they will be taking calls, and all because our system is crushing us. It is crushing us, so the people who are mentally competent feel more and more oppressed, more under stress, more incapable of functioning properly as a human being, and the people who are already mentally unstable fly off the handle. They snap, they lose what self-preservation and connection to people they had, and they go absolutely ape shit, and they grab a gun. I know you want to keep them from grabbing that gun, and so do I, but grabbing that gun is only the very last link in the chain of what needs to be done, and we need to address what is going on before it, otherwise anything we do to stop guns being sold everywhere, being manufactured in 3D printers, what-have-you, is to address the foundation of why, why these things are happening.

To put it another way: if a man is scalding your hand with an iron, and you punch him, fists aren't what need to be regulated. Stopping someone from being punched would be nice, but we can't pretend the scalding of the iron didn't lead to the retaliation in the first place. The pressure on people needs to be reduced. There's no excuse for it except to wring everything out of people, to break them down, to take all they have so they need to keep fighting to scramble for the basics just to survive. The system we're in is not sustainable, and the fact that guns *are* so easy to get does contribute, but banning them won't stop it. I promise you, in the US, banning guns will only lead to more guns, because we are obsessed with violence, and guns are a convenient way to act out that violent fantasy. Hell, if we'd just enforce the laws we already have on the books, we'd likely see a dramatic decrease in gun violence, but we can't even do that because the lobbyists who address congress (read that as weapons dealers who bribe congress) will always make sure that for some reason it's too soon to do anything about the gun issue.

It's a fucking mess, is what I'm saying, and a straight up ban won't do anything to fix it, I promise you. We have to approach it differently, and we have to do it with the community involved.

Add on that masochists like UA think it's heroic to be slowly ground into hamburg.

If you are poor and have no health insurance they will not take you. The only people they are quick to grab up are elderly who have SS and insurance. Then if you whisper about something bad into the wind and a healthcare worker hears it they baker act your ass. I told multiple state workers in the department of health I was suicidal and had access to guns and they sent me home. My grandmother told her monthly nurse pill counter that she felt suicidal at times because her husband died and her son does not visit as much as she likes and they whisked her away to the booby hatch which they charged her insurance for the ambulance to cross the street, hospital admittance, and then booby hatch admittance and evaluation costs.

If you are young you have to fight tooth and nail for your mental health unless you have money, and if you have money they will give you such as nice ride. The booby hatches for emo teens with rich parents, who they have not pissed off, are fucking dreams. They are on private beaches and have mimosas to go with your benzos. Maybe you need some adderal or some weed therapy? Do you want to paint something, or play an instrument? I am pretty sure if the kid actually works with them you could get some hookers and blow. They have the same massage people that the republican party hires for happy endings.

The parkland shooter's problem was he was floriduh white trash. He should have been in Ocala where he belonged. Had he found his way to Ocala like the other angry racist incel white trash he would have been with his people. He would have to turn around before the Orlando gay scene because the meth would wear off and his car would need gas and a tire would go. Most of the kids like him are already in the prison system because of coke and meth problems.

Exactly. There are people who pride themselves on being crushed into the ground because they think it's a test of strength, of their masculinity. It's wild to watch someone brag about working 80 - 90 hours a week and not seeing their kids once during that time. That is some grade A 100% Iowa fed Stockholm Syndrome. It's the same people who tell someone who can't even afford a shitty one bedroom apartment while working a full time job that they either "need to live within their means," or "get another job and work harder, you pussy." It's toxic, it's sick, it's very much a sickness. The work culture in the United States has to be among the worst in the developed world.

How do we even get to that point, though?

I moved from the bluest of blue states to the reddest district of a purple one and blacks make up two percent of the population. Shortly before I moved to Reno, the county had a town hall about "voting precautions,x most likely motivated to make it more difficult for California expats like me (read: "Democrats") to vote. I had the cancel my DMV appointment thanks to a positive COVID test so I won't have it in time for the primary. With shit being what it is, I don't take vote by mail for granted here and I wouldn't see surprised to see "poll watchers" show up at the polling places.

Taking guns won't fix out violent culture, but it'll sure remove a helluva lotta opportunities to kill huge amounts of people. And the cops will feel more confident about taking out a mass stabber than a shooter.

Taking guns won't reduce the amount of criminals acquiring guns on the street, it will only reduce the number of legal guns on the street. Just like with prohibition, the black market would be flooded with illegal arms. The internet, drop shipping, all of this makes it possible to keep weapons in the hands of people who should not have them, while making it harder for the people who would own them legally and safely. You've seen what pirates can do with an uncrackable DRM? Everyone who pirates the game gets the game, while the people who bought the game legally are dealing with a DRM that makes them jump through hurdles just to play something they purchased legitimately.

Logistically speaking, short of people volunteering their guns, there's just no way to make it work. You'll get the people trading in their guns as "responsible citizens," and the crazy ass motherfuckers up in the hills will dare you to come and get them. They killed the revenuers when they tried to come collect, they'll have no qualms taking out police, and you really don't want to get the federal government and the military involved in operations like that, because it will just be more bloodshed on top of bloodshed.

Tell a man he has to give up his gun will make him clutch it tighter. Give him a good reason to want to be rid of it, and he might just hand it over with little protest. Right now, the solution for some folks is tell people they have to give them up, and I think as a result they will only clutch them tighter.

That doesn't even get into the legitimate reason to have a gun. In the United States, the police can be more dangerous than any assailant roaming the street, especially in marginalized communities. I couldn't, in good conscience, stand by the idea of taking their guns, because for some of them it's the only thing keeping the police from just rolling in and murdering them in their homes. I mean, they still do that, but imagine them knowing that they can burst into any home they want and the likelihood of the occupant having a gun is reduced even by half? These are the same assholes who will shoot a black kid for causing a scene in front of a store. So, that would be another reason why I think outright banning them would be a catastrophe if implemented like how some want it to be implemented. As I was saying earlier, and @Jenee paraphrased, before we do the gun taking, we should at least appraise the situation and understand the root. We can do the immediate stuff right now, as I said, laws on the books, they're just not enforced, or enforced selectively *cough*only in black neighborhoods*cough*. Start with what we have already, and then take steps as needed, and by the time any more needed steps can be acted on, we'll have had time to evaluate where the root cause is coming from and how to effectively excise it from the public conscience.

You have to gerrymander places like the duh, GA, the carolinas, and basically the confederate states. There are more black people in the rural southeast than the rural northeast. This is why the buffalo shooter had to drive so far. He had to go all that way to find a black neighborhood. There are 3 areas in NYS with black people (excluding state college campuses) That is around NYC and out on Long Island (Cut NYS off at I87), Buffalo, and Albany. Rochester might have a bit. If you get out of those areas it is all white. It is much whiter than the rural south because you do not have the poor black neighborhoods from the slave times. The one thing you do have in upstate NY that is not as bad as in the south is anti-semites. The south simply does not have a lot of jews and barely knows who they are, but upstate NY distrusts the jews like pre-nazi germany.

This is why the reps need to gerrymander so much. There is really a wrong side of the street, and a lot of people live there in the small towns.

I have a different process for taking guns in mind.

First off legalize and register what is out there. If you register your gun you can keep it for the rest of your life barring it's use in any illegal activity. Upon your death it will be surrendered to the state who will give the estate the fair retail value of the gun. You cannot pass your gun on to anyone. Make a constitutional amendment that says the law cannot just take your gun away, and that yopu have it to your death as long as you never use it in a criminal activity, or you never commit a violent crime. I am even for letting people who commit non-violent crimes keep their guns.

We will also have a position of surrendering firearms for a time period. Maybe a decade of no questions asked surrendering a firearm for destruction. Yes, the police would have to check if the gun was used in any crimes and follow any evidence towards conviction, but if you innocently found a gun somewhere you should be able to turn it in without penalty. After ten years the police might start asking some questions and maybe there is a fine for possesion.

Gun Seizure would happen upon any crime where a gun was used or was found to be part of the profits of a crime. In these cases the gun should be catologued for any forensics and destroyed. This is the exception to the above rule where you can keep your gun until you die. You do a crime with your gun, it is gone. You allow someone to steal your gun and they get caught with it, your gun is destroyed. If the police have to seize your gun as evidence or whatever then you should have to make a real good argument as to why you should have that one back. If you have other guns this does not entitle the government to seize those unless they are also a part of the crime. So if your kid takes your gun down to the school and gets caught in possesion of it and the police seize it, it gets destroyed, but the polce cannot then come into your house and take your other guns.

If you make threats to use your guns to shoot up and kill people then the police can come and raid your home, take your guns, and the government will destroy them. We make it a crime to threaten to shoot people, and the penalty is losing your guns and never being allowed to have guns again.

We alter gun manufacturing. It is done like minting coins. It is only done if we need to for actual reasons. All guns are registered and tracked. You have to present a reason to have one. There will be restrictions on storage and transport. You will be responsible for that gun, or a security company will be responsible for that gun. If you lose your gun you will face penalties which may include jail time depending on the severity of the situation. If you do not want that sort of responsibility then do not own a gun. You will face a criminal charge of murder or assault if your registered gun ever kills someone. We may allow for reasons of self defense no criminal penalties, but you will have to prove you needed to defend yourself with the weapon in a jury trial.

Yes, this will take a long time and we will have to deal with a term where we will be less safe because we do not seize all guns immediately. America made that bed and now the citizens will have to live with the dangers they allowed because you cannot just take everything away without a bloodbath. I am saying it is a process that should take some time in order to avoid the revolt of the guntards, but we can start to clamp down on things.

A nation that started off as a prison colony. I get the impression that there's a certain pride in being able to trace one's ancestry back to those prisoners. @Bailey can comment on that if I'm wrong.

Just to be clear, @Diacanu was being sarcastic. Australia isn’t tiny. And had much of the same frontier/gun culture of the US.

Good guy with a gun....

That's the part that makes me puke, it's a fairy tail.
"Rugged individualism" died even before America, it died with the agricultural revolution.
Our pre-agricultural forager ancestors were "rugged individuals" but once farms and houses sprang up, forget it, we were feudal/royal serfs, and then eventually corporate ones.

He is emotional right now (who wouldn’t be?) but eventually he will realize that his daughter was gunned down for freedom and that knowledge will help him come to peace with the massacre.



America can’t have freedom without child sacrifice. It is the only way.

Police stopping parents from going in to rescue their kids:

While the police did apparently keep parents from going in while the murders were taking place, that video wasn't taken at that time. Crime scene tape is up, school buses are moving, etc.

Once they put up the crime scene tape, nobody gets past it except for cops and other officials.

Based on the photos I've been seeing of the dead kids, it's no wonder a bunch of Texas cops stood by and let a white nationalist terrorist go on a killing spree.

Edit: the school was 90% Hispanic...