Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

"Tham"?

I don't think Spock is unaware of it. Spock just generally doesn't care/has suppressed his emotions. In Amok Time, Spock knows that the plomeek soup that Chapel makes for him isn't meant to just be a friendly gesture but is her flirting with him and freaks about it.

The difference in the dynamic is that TOS Chapel was acting like a 60s single woman would, generally reserved and demure, and there was no indication that she and Spock had aa friendship or that he reciprocated any romantic feelings toward her. Whereas SNW Chapel is acting like a particularly aggressive 2020s woman, and both Chapel and Spock do consider themselves friends, and there's at least a hint that maybe Spock does want Chapel.

I actually just re-watched ‘What Are Little Girls Made Of?’ and Chapel flat out asks Spock if he has ever been engaged when he questions whether she would recognize Roger Korby after so long.

I know it’s impossible to keep straight 60 years of continuity and I don’t think anyone expects them to. That’s why I don’t get why the writers try to insist this is a prequel to TOS?

Just fess up and call it a reboot and go forward. Would make their job easier and the fans wouldn’t have to go thru mental contortions trying to link everything up.

I like the show a lot but I thinks it’s pointless to try and make it fit in with classic Trek.

Here’s an idea, you want Chapel in the show, do a little research. Call me crazy, but I think it’s possible.

Agh, for Christ sakes!

Look "Parallels" canonizes everything.
There's something like 288,000 Enterprises that leak in through the anomaly, right?
That's 288,000 universes.
That's more than enough universes for every fucking episode, movie, novel, comic, video game, colorforms, presto-magix, cereal, and cookie.
Now just watch the show and be happy.

To be fair, Pike wasn't his usual self during The Cage. He was traumatized after a mission gone wrong resulted in some deaths among the crew, and was considering leaving Starfleet entirely.

I am pretty happy with the show so far.

And, yes, I agree this is an alternate universe therefore trying to fit it into established canon is pointless.

But Jesse James Keitel goes by she/her, right? Are the actress and character using the same pronouns?

I was wondering about that from one post Amaris made in this thread. In that post the terms ‘she’ and ‘her’ were used.

“OMG, it’s not going to fit into canon!” …. You guys act as if you’ve never been invested in a tv show and “they” just randomly inserted a completely different actor as an established character …

It’s a tv show. It doesn’t HAVE TO fit anything.

There was a line early in the episode (even before we saw the character, IIRC) where someone referred to Aspen as "they".

I get so tired of explaining this to grown adults that are fully aware of this, but I’m going to try one more time and then if you still don’t get it then I don’t know what to tell you. Some fans may not care about continuity especially in a sixty year old franchise, but some do. We care because these are shows we’ve been invested in all of our lives and even new fans do care about these things as well.
It’s not “just a tv show” either. If TOS was all we got, then maybe I’d agree with you, but we didn’t just get TOS . People over the decades have added to the continuity and the world building of the show and over the decades, fans appreciate that world building and consistency.
We appreciate it because it shows that the people involved in the show care and it shows they care about what fans think. We don’t expect everything to fit perfectly into continuity, but at least try.
A simple thing to look up would be the relationship or lack there of between Nurse Chapel and Spock. It’s an easily avoidable mistake to have Chapel know about Spock’s engagement in this series and then in TOS she’s unaware that Spock was ever engaged.
Now you could invent some sort of mind wipe or something like that or the fans could come up with something that hand waves it away, but it shouldn’t be up to the fans to make things fit and you can only get away with the top secret ship/ mind wipe/ sworn to secrecy so many times. The writers could just say it’s an alternate timeline and end it with that, but they insist it’s not. So this leaves me with one question, what’s the point of world building and maintaining continuity if at the end of the day we just say, “ it’s just a tv show, who cares?”

Welcome to garamet's world with her books getting de-canonized left and right.
Didn't bother you when it was the books.

Remember when people were bitching and moaning about allegedly canon-breaking Klingon ship designs during the first season of Discovery, then a short scene during the second season reconciled canon perfectly?

Maybe it's dumb to make assumptions when SNW is planned to run for years and there's a lot more that's yet to be revealed before they reach the TOS timeframe?

Remember on DS9 how Nog went from a petty criminal to a Starfleet officer? And how Kira went from hating all Cardassians to helping them establish a resistance of their own against the Dominion? And how Bashir went from a dorky doctor to a genetically enhanced intelligence asset? Did those break canon too?

I’m talking about the tv shows and movies which have always been considered canon. There’s no way to maintain continuity across all forms of media over sixty years unless you started out with that goal in mind from the beginning and you never sell your IP and maintain complete control the whole time. The books have never been considered canon and the writers know that coming in, or at least they should. But please continue to point out that I didn’t complain about something that hadn’t heard of until I joined this board and should have complained about it on a board that didn’t exist in the 90s.

By whom?
Roddenberry's preferred canon was TOS 1-2, TMP, TNG 1-2.
You gonna listen to Gene?
No?
Then who?
Mike Okuda?
Memory Alpha?
Memory Beta?
A faceless Paramount suit who says TAS isn't canon, then it is, then it isn't, then it is again?
Whomever you choose, know that it's as much random preference as your favorite ice cream.

Those things are called character development. You understand the difference, right? Here’s my prediction: Chapel falls deeply in love with Spock to the point it breaks her heart so bad that Spock has to do a mind meld to erase her memory and feelings for Spock and that’s how we get to TOS Chapel.

Someone, somewhere, somehow has to establish some sort of timeline. If Gene didn’t want to maintain continuity and wanted each show to be its own universe then maybe not call your show Star Trek: The Next Generation which implies it’s still the same universe. Maybe not have TNG crew interact with DS9 crew who then interacts with Voyager crew. Don’t have Enterprise have clear connections to the four series before it and then don’t bullshit us and say that Discovery, Picard and SNW are still the same continuity. Either it is or it isn’t.

Again I ask, who?

Preferably the creatives over the executives. I thought it was established that everything on screen was canon. Anyway, you’re attempting to change the subject without really addressing my main point because you can’t accept any flaws in NuTrek. You’ve also made it clear that you don’t care about these things and anyone can just slap the name Star Trek on anything and you’re fine with it because you just want to be entertained.

Okay then, so the current crop of executives say it's all canon, so that should be good enough.
But it isn't.
Cuz nitpicks.
But Trek has always had nitpicks.
Books have literally been written on them.
So it's a difference between nitpicks you consciously let bother you, and those you consciously don't let bother you.
And the criteria for that choice is...?

Hey, here's a nitpick for the pile!
Last night "Amok Time" was on.
Spock is looking at a picture of little kid T'Pring on his computer.
The gist I always got from that, is that was the last time he saw her.
But nope, now he had a relationship with her as an adult.
So why the baby pic?
I guess you could head-canon it's a Vulcan culture thing.
"Waahhh! You shouldn't have to head-canon! ".
I'm not fucking lazy, I like head-canon-ing.

Fuck. Do you hear yourself? Get a fucking life, dude.

They’re also doing away with the Vulcans have sex every seven years, unless they’re trying to Bill Clinton lawyer ball it and trying to say oral doesn’t count.

Seven years is when you HAVE to or die.
Come on, there's no way Spock didn't get some side-action in "This Side Of Paradise" and "All Our Yesterdays".

William Shatner from the 80s called and said he wants his joke back. Besides, I thought this was a discussion board, not just do a book report about the episode board.

Back in the day, people would sit around conversing about things that entertained them. If some asshole stuck his nose in and said “I hate whatever it is you’re talking about”, everyone else would kick his ass out and tell him to mind his own fucking business.

I’m telling you that now. If you don’t like a tv show, stay the fuck out of conversations people who do like it are having.

You stupid little shitstain.

Yeah, let him throw his tomatoes, but don't catch them and throw them back.
It gives him the sads.

Warned.

Aaaaaaaand there it is, the gate keeping mentality and the inability to distinguish hate from criticism, then you have to make it personal. This is why I was reluctant to even discuss this in the first place. I’ve enjoyed the show for the most part, but dare to question it in any way and out comes the claws. Maybe go back and read the thread and what I’ve said about the show before accusing me of hating the show.

Canon policing isn't gatekeeping?
How?