Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

Because you aren’t discussing the show. You’re discussing a show that exists only in your head. The rest of us do not live there - nor do (presumably all of us, but me specifically) want to. It is possible to discuss what was good and what was bad about the show without crying that it didn’t live up to expectations that exist only in your head. And yes, I did make it personal because you made it personal.

It’s not canon, it’s continuity and I’m not telling anyone that they can’t create their own continuity, I’m just asking to be respectful of established continuity. You want to shake things up, create new characters or confine it within established continuity. RMB said the other day that he likes La’an as a character, but it’s stupid to have her related to Khan. I agree, I think she’s one of the best characters and her friendship with Una is something I hope they build on, but there’s absolutely no reason to have her related to Khan. I get it, TWOK has a lasting legacy that we haven’t quite seen since, but they need to stop chasing that high. To be really honest, Uhura and Chapel don’t need to be on this show.

TOS is a show that exists in my head? News to me. Where did I make it personal?
Edit: I must have imagined the part where Nurse Chapel didn’t know that Spock was ever engaged.

And, there it is.
I knew someone was giving the marching orders.

Nobody’s giving me marching orders, I do happen to agree with him on a few points though.

Hey @Diacanu , I believe that water is an essential key ingredient to life in the universe, do you agree, yes or no?

Out one side of your mouth it's "gee whiz, I'm just expressing an opinion " then out the other side of your mouth it's "my opinions are as correct as life needs water ".

Jenee is correct in asking if you even listen to yourself.

Answer the question.

The answer you seek is implicit with the answer I gave.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

As I suspected, you can’t answer the question because it would mean admitting that you are in fact, once again, full of shit.

Why don’t you answer the question, what are you so afraid of?

If your eyesight is that bad, maybe it's time for a guide dog.

First: There is no such show named “TOS”. I do know what you’re talking about, though.

Second: The original tv show with the name “Star Trek” aired in the 1960s. It stopped airing in 1969. That show, the show you refer to as TOS is over.

Ok. Are you with me? That show ended in 1969.

There are other tv shows that take place in the same universe, even have some of the same characters. But, the shows that are airing now is a completely different tv show. Even though it’s set in the same universe with some of the same characters. It’s a different STORY. You do understand that word, right? You know what a story is.

Third: Hollywood does what it wants to do. They can take actual real historic events and put A LOT of fictional stuff in there. That’s what we call “creative license”.

So, if Hollywood can make up shit about real historic events, then they can do what they want with a completely fictional story.

What is in your head, is a version of that story that only you know. And, it appears here, that you are getting upset that Hollywood is not telling the story that is in your head.

OK, I'll bite. Why is it "stupid" that she is related to Khan?

Because (A) Spock should make the connection in "Space Seed" yet he acts as if it's the first time he's heard the name and (B) why not create a completely original character or use an already existing character from "The Cage" ? (C) They're relying too much on nostalgia and cashing in on the name instead giving us new ideas. He doesn't like prequels in general and thinks they should have gone with the 25th century when the fifth series was still being developed.

My eyesight isn't bad, you didn't answer the question.

Here's exactly what happened. @Zor Prime said the following.

To which you replied,

To which I replied,

The part I put in bold is what the discussion is about. It's a fact that in Star Trek, AKA. TOS, AKA. The Original Series on which everything that has followed is based on, Nurse Chapel is unaware that Spock was ever engaged before. In the new series we are discussing, Strange New Worlds which is a direct prequel to the original series and not an alternate timeline according to the show runners. In the episode in question that @Zor Prime brought up, Nurse Chapel is fully aware that Spock is engaged. Those are the facts. I didn't dream them up, they don't just exist in my head, that's what's currently been established in the continuity. Knowing those facts, one has to wonder how they square that circle. How is it that Nurse Chapel in Strange New Worlds which exists in the same continuity as Star Trek goes from knowing that Spock is engaged to not knowing Spock was ever engaged? That is the discussion.

I've already given my opinion on that episode in question. The discussion now is on the subject of how this fits into the established continuity. If you only want to talk about what's good about the show/episode, go ahead. The discussion; however, is not about that, it has shifted towards speculation. My solution was a mind meld. If you don't want to speculate on that then move along home, but this is a discussion board and I'm pretty sure speculation over what happens next is allowed on this board and I don't see why I should be berated just because I wanted to continue that discussion. I don't hate the show, but as fan fan, continuity matters to me so I'm trying to discuss what I think should happen. I agree, that is a STORY not yet told so I wonder how it will be told. That is the discussion.

Spock and company should have made the connection in "Space Seed" on its own terms. As spotty as the historical records might have been, there was a picture of Khan Noonien Singh and information about his conquest that apparently most of the bridge crew knew once the dots were connected. Spock (and the rest) clearly don't act as though they are hearing the name Khan Noonien Singh for the first time once they have made the connection.

I suppose one could say that Spock or Uhura might have said "Hey, there was a descendant of Khan's who used to be on the Enterprise 10 (or however many) years ago."

Again, what we have is some fans romanticizing TOS and applying a super-critical eye to anything that's not TOS/TNG/DS9, or at least anything that's been done in the streaming era.

As for the "Have you ever been engaged, Mr. Spock? Yes, it's Roger." I think one can read the line is that she has no idea that Mr. Spock has been engaged, and one can also read the line that of course she knows that Mr. Spock has been engaged and is teasing him.

Maybe it'll turn out that was a deleted scene in the original script.

Uhura: Hey, there was a descendant of Khan's who used to be on the Enterprise however many years ago!

Kirk: ...how does that information help us now?

Spock: It doesn't, that's why I didn't bring it up earlier.

(Chapel runs into room)

Chapel: Hey, there was a descendant of Khan's that used to be on the Enterprise however many years ago!

Spock: We already remembered that, but that piece of trivia doesn't help us at all right now.

Chapel: Oh, I thought maybe...

Spock: This is exactly why I act like things weren't much flirtier between us years ago.

JJK is she/her - the character is "they"

Yes it is.

Also, there's this great new Trek series called Strange New Worlds.

Is this the thread where can we discuss it, or has it just become another Federal Farmer ?

It's fair to discuss continuity. Some people care about it more than others, but as this is entirely subjective, that is up to the viewer in question.

Though perhaps that's why continuity is more of a topic of discussion now - because in the streaming era it's easy for anyone to go back and look at the original shows.

It's an effective retcon, but also quite an obvious one. The line is not delivered in a teasing way. Clearly none of Kirk's crew were aware of much of Mr. Spock's backstory, and none of them were aware of T'pring. There's also the fact Chapel said that she had joined Starfleet in order to look for her missing husband, so her presence on Pike's Enterprise is off by a few years.

Does that bother me? No, you need to give the writers some wriggle room. But if someone says that it's not aligned with continuity, they are correct, and if that bothers them, that's their prerogative.

It's a religion and thoust hast blasphemed it!!

Agreed, except when Federal Farmer turns this into another Daytonesque thread.

People are free to not respond. This is a discussion board and we are free to discuss things.

We're also free to point out when someone is being a twat.

By invoking your own special brand of twattery.

Aww. I think you're special too, sweetcheeks.

Careful, though. Leaping to FF's defence like this might make it seem you think I could hurt his feelings. But we all know you think folk can't be hurt by that.