Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

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  1. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I'm fairly certain tomatoes indicate critics score. Popcorn indicates audience score. Yes, critics do like discovery.
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  2. Steal Your Face

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    Critics =:turd:
  3. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Whoever made the graphic, the data seems to be broadly accurate (looking at the figures as of 3/24, some have moved slightly).

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/search?search=star trek
    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/star-trek-tv-by-tomatometer/
  4. 14thDoctor

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    Unless they've got a YouTube account. :bergman:
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I didn't care for this season at all, but the finale wasn't quite as bad for me as the rest of it.

    I was really hoping they'd killed off Book. Hopefully he'll be tied up for a very long time on that resettlement mission. :brood:

    I liked the nod to Anton with the radio traffic from the USS Yelchin. :( :salute:
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  6. Steal Your Face

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    They had about five episodes written stretched out to 13. I do agree that the finale worked as well as it could. I hope Picard and SNW is better.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I saw a comment on Facebook that sums up the past season pretty well. :corn:

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  8. matthunter

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    Imagine therapy sessions for the NCC-1701.

    "And then they rammed me into a space amoeba!!"

    *Q as therapist* That's nothing, wait till Genesis...
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  9. matthunter

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    That said, my fave series is Doctor Who, and that poor TARDIS needs all the therapists she can GET.
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  10. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I will acknowledge that this shows main divergence from the standard Trek formula is that it does lean quite hard into the "how do these folks FEEL about what is happening?" and that's surely not everyone's idea of good Star Trek.

    But I enjoyed it, this season more than last in fact, overall. The problem this show, and Picard, will have is that SNW is about to rock it OG style and be so VERY good that they will look worse by comparison. At least, that's my passionate hope.
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  11. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Randomly cool thing that happened a few hours ago.

    There's a barber shop in my building, specializing in Black hair.

    Just down there talking to one of the owners and out walked Orville Cummings (Lt Christopher from s4) who it turns out is a regular.
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  12. Steal Your Face

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    Let's see, has a half brother/step brother/ adopted brother, check, at least 12 main cast members/followers, check, died and was resurrected, check, preformed miracles (bullshit feats of science), check, persecuted by the Romans (The Orion Syndicate), check, befriended/married/bonded with a whore/ criminal (in this case a smuggler), check. What's missing is a Judas type character, but we still have one more season to go.
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    Well, those who thought you might be gone for a long time need to pay up. They lost that bet.
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  14. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    *Skims channel*
    Ah, he's one of those Nazis that mixes harmless cute shit in with the toxic shit to try to trick you.
    I feel bad about watching that "Worf vs doors" thing now.
    I should just assume anything FF links to is poison.
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  15. Jenee

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    So did Spock, Kirk, and probably most of the TOS crew.

    Same for nearly EVERY FUCKING tv show in existence

    Damn. dude. have you ever watched Stargate? the entire SG1 team died at least 3 times in the first season alone.

    Hello computer, I mean Scotty

    Ok Miles.

    Riker - Minuet; Riker - Etana Jol; Riker - Yuta; Riker Lanel; Riker - Beata; Riker Soren ...

    and that's just Riker

    There's another season of Discovery?
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  16. Steal Your Face

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    Ash Tyler betrayed her.
  17. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    When was Burnham killed and resurrected? I don't specifically remember.

    Not that would differentiate her from any number of Star Trek characters. Off the top of my head: Kirk (Star Trek Generations, Into Darkness), Spock (ST III), McCoy (Shore Leave), Chekhov (Spectre of the Gun), Worf/Wesley/others were resurrected by Riker when he had the power of Q, Data, Sisko, I suppose you can count Jadzia->Ezri, B'Elanna, Neelix, Harry Kim...I'm most assuredly missing some.
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  18. Steal Your Face

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    How many of them tick all of the boxes? How many of them say things, “I will do this, I will do this to save us all.” She, at the very least has a Jesus complex.
    Superman is a literal Space Jesus, yet he doesn’t act like that.
  19. Steal Your Face

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    The guy literally lives in Jerusalem, he ain’t Palestinian, but I’m sure you can point out all of the Nazi regalia that indicates he’s a Nazi and you’re not just being super hyperbolic.
  20. Steal Your Face

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    Yes, there’s a fifth and final season. That has always been the plan.
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Yeah, that's throwing my memory for a loop too.
  22. Steal Your Face

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    She mentions that she died for three minutes then towards the end of season two they put her in that room and Spock says they have to kill her or something like that so it triggers mama red angel to come back and save her.
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    Act like what? The way the character was written? by men?
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  24. Steal Your Face

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    Act like god’s gift to the universe.
    Michelle Paradise and Krysten Byer are women.
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  25. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Like Kirk?
    Or Archer?
    Or Sisko once he really knows he's the Emissary?

    Ah, yes, only men get to have egos.
    If a woman does, it's "who does this bitch think she is? :shakefist:".
    This is the same whine we got from the tiny-dicks about Captain Marvel.
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  26. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I have been, and always shall be, your friend

    and it's not like Spock had ever had a direct influence in causing an intergalactic war at that point to obligate him to self sacrifice either
  27. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Having a half/adopted/stepbrother isn't a huge part of Jesus's identity, but canonically Spock, Worf do.

    Having at least 12 followers is literally every main character in fiction, as Jenee pointed out.

    Performed miracles? Again, what main Trek character did not if we're going to equate what Burnham (wear a time travel suit is about the only thing I can think of that is far-fetched for this universe) has done to a "miracle"?

    Persecuted by the Romans? If we are arbitrarily going to define the Orion Syndicate as "Romans" despite having nothing in common with the Romans of Jesus's era and what they did to Burnham (pretty literally nothing directly besides take over her ship briefly) as "persecution" akin to Christ's crucifixion, then again, every Star Trek character would have something similar to point to from some group.

    Befriended whores/criminals: For pretty much anyone in TOS you have Harry Mudd and Cyrano. For Picard (who I mistakenly left off those who died and rose again -- see Tapestry and Time Squared among others. There's a case that all of the TNG crew died and rose again in the time loop with the Bozeman episode.) you have Vash, Q, the Outrageous Okona, probably more. For DS9, everyone who knows Quark or Garak. For Voyager, everyone who knows Neelix.

    So yes, most every character in Star Trek can be bent to fit the "Jesus" theme if you want to distort both who they are and who Jesus was.

    Particularly if you want to ignore all the many ways in which Jesus would have been different from the characters. For instance, Jesus was spiritual and believed in a single God. Burnham and most characters in Trek do not believe in higher spiritual beings as such.

    Jesus believed that there was just one true righteous path and he knew it. Burnham (and most Trek characters) do not believe that they possess such ultimate wisdom and allow for a pretty wide range of acceptable moralities.

    Jesus performed literal miracles that could not be explained by conventional wisdom and he was physically different from all others. Nothing Burnham did is beyond anyone else in her time (yes, the time travel suit was keyed to her DNA, but there is no inherent reason it could not have been keyed to anyone else's).

    I don't remember Burnham literally saying "I will do this. I will do this to save us all." But I'm pretty sure if one were to comb through all of Star Trek, there would be some even more pompous statements made by most characters.

    And you are insane if you don't think Superman has said or acted like he's going to save everyone.
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  28. Steal Your Face

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    Preforming miracles. Or as I said, bullshit science.
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  29. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    What's shown there is no more BS science than the Genesis Planet, the Nexus or any number of concepts that are regular parts of each series.
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  30. Diacanu

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    Heisenberg compensators.
    Every beam down/up is basically a magic spell.
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