Mutability and Wordforge; Where should we go and how should we get there?

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Ancalagon, Feb 20, 2023.

  1. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Lmao you are dumb
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  2. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    "Cultural Marxism"... :eyeroll:

    seriously, Fed. start reading the inside of the pamphlets as well, m'kay?



    The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture.[1][2][3] The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion of Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s.[2][3][4]

    Although similarities with the Nazi propaganda term "Cultural Bolshevism" have been noted, the contemporary conspiracy theory originated in the United States during the 1990s.[5][6][7][note 1] Originally found only on the far-right political fringe, the term began to enter mainstream discourse in the 2010s and is now found globally.[7] The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.
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  3. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    A conspiracy theory founded on Jew-hate?
    Qelle surprise.
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  4. The Original Faceman

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    It's still OK to punch a Nazi in the face.
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  5. Rimjob Bob

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    There's definitely something to this.
  6. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Any excuse to punch FF's family.
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  7. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

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    I imagine the end will be one day the server doesn’t work and it never comes back online because nobody is keeping it up. Even so, that is a more honorable ending than losing everything when your chicken coop floods.
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  8. 14thDoctor

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    If you feel a chill on the back of your neck, that's Sokar's ghost trying to neg you to death while also calling you a faggot and a kike and a tar baby. :sokar:


    Anyway, please tell us more about how the Wordforge of 2023 is "running off everyone." :bergman:
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  9. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    I read it differently. That he was highlighting FF’s lack of awareness because in terms of ‘run off’ it it is pretty one sided which political faction has run off more of the other.

    And by run off I mean orchestrated and targeted harassment. Not just asking for sources or calling out BS. Not allowing idiocy to stand unchallenged isn’t running off.
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  10. 14thDoctor

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    Bob has been pretty big on the dire threat of "woke leftist mobs" and such for a while now, so I wouldn't put it past him to suggest that WF is also plagued by mean lefties that are somehow equivalent to the January 6th insurgents. :async:
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  11. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    What has the board come to when you can't even call people the N word or post pictures of lynchings or be a literal Nazi or stalk members in the real world without being banned. :(
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  12. 14thDoctor

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    I sent a flirty admin some private pictures of myself a week ago and they haven't even been reposted on TK yet. :weep:
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  13. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    It's amazing how many of the "run off" examples just boil down to "They acted like cunts and people called them cunts.:weep:"

    Fragile snowflakes.
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  14. Rimjob Bob

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    I'm more concerned with administrative actions than peer harassment.

    I'll ask this for the 99th time: why is @Tererun still posting freely when Dayton is banned?

    Is there a good answer that doesn't have to do with the difference in the politics between the two?
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  15. 14thDoctor

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    My two cents: I've had Tererun on ignore for ages, and I almost never notice when she's posting in a thread I'm in. Whatever she's saying, most people seem to have no trouble skimming right past it, and not that many people seem to be engaging her. She might say outrageous and theoretically offensive things, but in practice no one is really listening. She's background noise.

    Dayton, however, was extremely disruptive, and IMHO only escaped being permabanned long ago out of pity and his occasional entertainment value.
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  16. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    I’ll take a stab at it.

    More people either have Tererun on ignore or just ignore their posts so their trolling isn’t nearly as disruptive as Dayton.

    You remember that Tererun/Tucker pointless bickering that fucked up a couple threads for a couple hours? That was near daily with multiple posters and in multiple threads.
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  17. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Dammit! Beat me by two minutes. :mad:
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  18. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Also isn’t this kinda the conservative rationalization for discrimination in a nutshell?

    It’s okay if society/business/peers discriminate and hold folks down. The only issue is if the government tries to stop it.
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  19. Rimjob Bob

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    Okay, so the argument is that Dayton had a much greater talent for derailing threads?

    Put a positive spin on that, and we can say Dayton was far better at generating conversation that people found engaging. This place is decisively more boring without him.

    The extent to which you find them annoying or "able to scroll past" is a matter of taste, isn't it? This is where my theory of political bias comes into play.

    It's the selective banning that has been bad for business, among other things.
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  20. Nyx

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    It's boring for people who find the constant harassment of minorities to be entertaining.
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  21. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yes.

    Only if you think 3 pages of ‘no u’ is better than three posts of honest dialogue.

    Remember when Castle was banned and posting did go down?

    But then when you dug into the numbers and removed his spamming it turned out all the non-Castle traffic went up?

    Same principle.

    Nice in theory but we have enough evidence now that the opposite is correct. Lack of moderation is more closely tied to community demise than moderation.
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  22. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob Classy Fellow

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    Fair point. I'm not saying peer harassment doesn't matter. I'm just saying that's not the topic I was arguing.

    But I do favor a libertarian approach. If anyone bothers you, mute or block them. Simple.
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  23. Rimjob Bob

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    It would be great if I were privy to the numbers, that I might evaluate this claim.

    And we still have plenty of threads with pages of "No U." But now they center on the left-center majority dog piling on people like FF, Albert, and Oldfella. You wanna talk about peer harassment driving people away?
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  24. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    As Diacanu rightfully pointed out we've had tons more people chased off on the left than on the right and it isn't even close.

    Putting that aside, message boards have been bleeding people left and right, regardless of topic. Troll Kingdom swings hard right and that place is damn near dead.
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  25. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    FF is a compulsive masochist with no shame, and UA is a narcissist with a fanatical grievance complex under his bonnet.
    They aren't going anywhere.
    :shrug:
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  26. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    It really is.

    The only place I ever spent time at that was more lightly moderated than Wordforge was a fanfic bashing board that was largely left leaning but after a few years (and several board shut downs due to software issues), the only people it attracted were bullies who just wanted to bash. Eventually, even the specific goal of bashing fanfic was push to the wayside of "eating own own". I once saw a three page thread with people sitting on a guy whose father died and they bashed him for putting it in the wrong forum.

    Who in their right mind would want to be around such a place? :jayzus:

    And that was just a mild example. Most places with that lack of control usually got fascists taking over.

    You know, kinda like Wordforge. :garamet:
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  28. Rimjob Bob

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    We all have our different tastes, and I would not characterize most of Dayton's posting that way.

    Somewhere along the line, the admins decided they cared more about moralizing than about vibrant, entertaining conversation. This is why WF is dying.
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    I say we go full lefty echo-chamber.

    The Admin Team is awfully straight, white, and male... this needs to be corrected immediately.

    All posts must begin with a trigger warning describing the content of the post.

    Anyone who has ever said anything problematic is to be banned immediately, as is anyone who has ever posrepped ANY post made by an individual who is determined to be problematic.
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