Roe v. Wade

Crime is a choice.
No one made those men commit crimes.
Don't cry for criminals, drama queen.

So this thread has turned into @Uncle Albert and @Jenee foreplay.

Thanks for the BC in the one thread that could use it.

The crime, in this case, would be hitting him with so many support payments he can't even keep up with them by living in his car and working three jobs.

https://twitter.com/amerindependent/status/1657129269040914433?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Bury them under the prison. Violence and property destruction are NOT "peaceful protest."

Getting a really strong whiff of the MRA bullshit on Albert's pits here.

So? You tell anyone else in that situation to suck it up, and pull the bootstraps harder.
What's the difference?
Except that the source of his undoing is someone with a vagina instead of a greedy corporation wringing its employees out like washcloths?

Ferl free to point out the factual errors. And MRA?

Ah. Men's Rights Activist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement#:~:text=The%20men's%20rights%20movement%20rejects,they%20term%20%22female%20privilege%22

Well, I am a man, and I do have rights, but I am no "activist."

Something done to you versus something you do to yourself.

He says while dipping his typing hands in cold water to a sizzling sound like forged metal.

Jesus Christ, UA, what sewers of MRA and Kings and MGTOW bullshit have you been swimming in?

Eliminating no-fault divorce means one person can force another to stay married to them against their will. How fucked up is that?

Exactly. There are a whole lot of different things that UA is trying to make it about, none of which are to do with the initial thing he was reacting to which is that the right are trying to ban no fault divorce.

In defense of UA, he is under the impression that in the modern era that the divorce will eventually be granted even without someone proving fault. And maybe he's right about that. But given all the layers of things that turned out to be BS about abortion rights (we just want it to be decided by the states, we're not going to make abortion a crime, the issue is just abortion and not these other things that some on the right also don't like like gay marriage, non-criminalized gay sex, abortion, interracial marriage) I wouldn't bet on it.

In offense at UA, any true libertarian should be in support of no-fault divorce and should be aghast at the notion that the state could force parties to remain married a second longer than one of them wants to.

What woman do you know benefitted from divorce?

Not sure how I could be any more clear.

If a man says family court rammed a shoe up his ass, 9 times out of 10, he’s lying. Paying child support is not “family court rammed a shoe straight up his ass”

UA and FF's preferred version of America.

https://crooksandliars.com/2023/05/texas-man-22-shoots-and-kills-girlfriend

"You're hysterical!! Things like that won't happen! It's lie-beral scaremongering!".

No, it means you can't cheat and still take half of their stuff. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Ok, how about this: You can call it no-fault divorce, but with a fidelity and misconduct clause in the division of assets and spousal support.

And for the record, none of this would be an issue if I got my real preference, which is legal contacts not being involved at all.

Any woman who receives alimony.

By offering a specific example.

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It is if it leaves him unable to live, especially if everyone else in the court damn well knows it.

We've all heard the horror stories and those things should be addressed. To the court. Not the woman who still needs to live AND support a child that a man helped create but refuses to even take the child for an afternoon, let alone any other parental activities that require time, effort, foregoing personal pleasures, and most of all - money.

I'm not trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I'm trying to throw the bathwater out with the baby. Gawd.

Simple question: should either spouse be able to initiate a divorce without having to demonstrate justification for it?

If so, then you support no fault divorce and all the other things you are talking about are distinct issues.

Except the "no fault" status is what allows for the rest of it.

Tennessee woman gets emergency hysterectomy after doctors deny early abortion care

Gonna have to ask you to show the working there.

162-Year-Old Law Used to Jail Woman For Taking Abortion Pills Beyond Legal Time Limit

Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs strips county prosecutors of authority to pursue abortion cases

Kentucky couple ‘furious’ state abortion laws meant they couldn’t hold their daughter to say goodbye

Saw that on my news feed this morning. Absolutely disgusting.

The cynical side of me wonders who they voted for in 2016.