Affirmative Action is a No Go Says Supreme Court...

The Supremes just ruled Affirmative Action in college acceptance is a violation of the 14th Amendment. It's all over the media, so I'm sure you can find it, but here's a place without the gnashing and wailing:

https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/...mative-action-programs-in-college-admissions/

Now the good news for the left, it seems judges can just outright ignore the Supreme Court rulings and get away with it, so you have that going for you.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.587034/gov.uscourts.nysd.587034.65.0.pdf

Basically, this judge disagrees with the Bruen decision, so she's going to pretend it didn't happen and no one is going to call her on it. So there you have it, the rule of law is well and truly dead and we can all just pretend Marbury v. Madison never happend.

Best of luck to everyone.

I though Bailey banned you for being John Castle, and you fell into a void of scrambled pixels, and died screaming.
What gives?

Since I'm not John Castle or Volpone or anyone else, I'm not avoiding a ban.

You know, this isn't exactly a private board or anything. Just because I didn't register until recently doesn't mean I didn't read it. I'm sufficiently bored enough now that I thought I would join it.

This one is a little more nuanced than it seems.

The #1 benefactor of affirmative action? White women. At least according to this analysis: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action

The #1 victim of affirmative action? Asians whose workaholic culture and focus on academia created high grades and test scores, more so than the whites the system is supposed to benefit according to most theories of racism.

Honestly, I don't know what the answer is. AA is a good idea but clearly has some room for improvement as it's implemented. Making it based on income or wealth seems like the best answer in that will also disproportionately help marginalized communities but we've also seen the people running those system especially in the worst areas of racism then rig the system against those people that need it if they aren't white.

First things first though, get rid of legacy admissions and pay for play. That shouldn't be allowed.

AA might have been a good idea (it's debatable, but let's pretend for a second it was). The conditions that existed when it was enacted are long over. Women, minorities, anyone not a straight WASP male are just as able to go to college and get a job as anyone else these days.

The answer is to make getting a job or into college competitive. You want a good job? Bring something to the table other than diversity. Want to go to a good college? Work your ass off in High School. Promotions go to people who prove themselves on the job and to to the guy/gal/whatever that checks the right box.

And make that doubly so for medical and engineering programs and the military. I don't want my doctor to get into and through med school because of the color of his skin and I don't want a bridge designed by graduates of a program that went light on the math and science part because getting women graduates was more important than making sure the bridge actually works. I don't want the officers above my children in command because inclusion was the most important factor in their promotion board rankings. There are simply too many lives at stake in those instances. That's how we ended up having a bridge collapse in Miami a few years back and fishing Kara Hultgreen's corpse out of the Atlantic when she crashed her F-14, a plane she should never have been driving in the first place.

If anything, making competition and ability the only factors will take away any stigma that is currently tied to seeing s woman or minority in a prestige program. You know they got there because they were able to do the work and there's no reason to doubt otherwise, and it gets rid of the feelings that they are being judged those women and minorities might feel even when they do deserve to be there.

Meritocracy is racist!

"....now let me get out my 40's National Geographics, and my phrenology skulls...".

Like Demi said, this ruling is a huge boon for Asians. I fully expect the conservatives thatong complained about AA to change their tune once they realize how many mediocre white people this is going to hurt by levelling the playing field.

Okay but you get that removing race and sex as factors doesn’t actually do that, right?

Of course it did, because open racism and bigotry is back in vogue in the US. Can't have "those people" getting all uppity by thinking they have the right to equitable opportunities.

Except it does. You can't say competition or merit and history are the defining factors, but a candidate gets extra help or goes to the head of the line for factors outside of their control (e.g. race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.)

If you have two candidates that are exactly the same in all categories but A) is a WASP straight male and B) is a proud tranny BIPOC and the job goes to tranny BIPOC simply because all other considerations being the same being a tranny BIPOC is somehow important, then you have just undermined the entire point that AA doesn't change anything and it's still merit and history based. It becomes another category where our WASP straight male is hampered by things outside of his control, to wit: his WASP straight maleness.

And if it is okay for getting into college or getting a job or getting a promotion, where else should it be applied? Should be give black baseball players an extra 50 home runs added to their stats right off the bat because it wasn't until 1947 that the color barrier was broken? Maybe let a female lawyer need a lower score on her Bar exam because she's a woman and women once upon a time weren't allowed to be lawyers? Let a midget go to the front of the line at Southwest Air when it comes to getting a job as a pilot despite the fact that he can't reach the pedals or see over the top of the cockpit dashboard just because it's somehow unfair?

Merit, ability, personal history, competition. That's all you need and if you can't get the dream job because you lack in one of those, either get better or find something you can do.

Trust me, I’ve been doing that for a long time now. You don’t get to just gift yourself powers not in the constitution.

Please. All it means is there is no longer a thumb on the scale in their favor. Now everyone is on the exact same level when it comes to admissions. There isn't a school in this country that will turn away a qualified black candidate. All it means is unqualified black candidates don't automatically go to the front of the line any more.

Equitable. There’s the problem, not equality.

"We want equality."
"Okay, here you go."
"But I want equity, not equality!"

Well, I say fuck 'em.

I agree completely. I want the best qualified candidates, period. Be a white guy who isn't as good as a non-white? Get better or get out of the way.

But I'm the racist.

I don't see how you can ask that without implying that race and sex somehow factor into your aptitudes.

Have you guys considered starting a klavern?

"Equity" is now just "equality of outcome" in a different wrapper. It is the OPPOSITE of meritocracy.

Too much ego.
They'd all want to be the wizard; none of them would want to be the dragon or the cyclops.

Do you want a heart surgeon who got into medical school based on his race and pencil whipped through school and his residency because he got an extra 100 points added to his MCAT score because of the color of his skin?

UA- Stop putting words in my mouth!!

Also UA- Here's what you REALLY mean!!!

All right, fucko. What you REALLY mean is *dick sucking noises*

You get very predictable when you're arguing a weak, emotion-based position.

The same way your type want to be the ones giving the order to fire and not the ones facing the wall?

Oh, that bullshit isn't unique to Amaris up there. It's the fashionable pitch for the hip rationalizer.

Oh absolutely, I mean look how fragile they are here. Three members of the KKK trying to justify why they're not really bigots and full of shit, like every other mediocre white man in existence. Martin Luther King, Jr., had their dumb asses pegged decades ago. Unfortunately, people like these very same mediocre white men had him shot because they were afraid he'd expose them for what they truly were and still are.

And yet the SCOTUS decision seems to think AA is fine as long as its putting more darkies in the firing line:

Hitler-licious to the last drop, huh?

And there's the last fig leaf of the irrational screechbag. "Oh yeah! Well...you're a bigot! I win! "