Why does the Labor Department hate children and Capitalism?

Trade apprenticeships died with the industrial revolution, and aren't likely to come back.
If you want civilization to regress back to pre-industrial towns, well...it's really not a proper stage, it's a middle stage between forager and nation state.
You'd be asking humanity to told a light switch in the middle. It didn't work the first time.
Except for the Amish.
The Amish take converts, but it's very rare.
You could try.

It is not McDonald's; it is a slaughterhouse, per the article that I guess you're ignoring?

Then why bring it up in a discussion about K-12 education?

Maybe in the flyover states that's true, but the first world states have pretty decent education.

I think that in the flyover states (and the South) critical thinkin' leads to them troublesome ideas.

No.

You don't have to learn pre-industrial skills to know a marketable trade. You're just FULL of excuses, aren't you?

Oh, it does happen in high school, even if it's not an officially acknowledged part of the curriculum.

Well, we know you hate English teachers, so they don't count.

Again, Mister Most Useless Member Of The Group When Society Fails thinks he's all that.

Labor laws also prohibit making kids work over a certain amount of hours, since they should be using those for study. Those laws were being broken here too.

Aunt Alice reminds me an awful lot of Huck Finn’s father.

On what do you base this assessment?

"Making"

I will give UA a little credit here. Over the years I noticed kids were happy to work longer hours as long as the boss did not enforce the restrictions. The problem became that that is where the blackmail started. I have seen so many of these kids try to threaten their employer after they would do the wrong thing. You violate the lasbor laws and next thing you know the kid threatens tro report you when a lot of the time they ask for extra hours.

Employers really should not be doing this because once the kid is hurt or starts to get in trouble in school that is when the little fucks start blaming the employer for what they were doing. The reality is when you are a kid work is better than school. for a kid in high school extra money is extra money even if you need to help with home expenses.

You couldn't keep me from work after 14. I wanted all sorts of things, and I got jobs in places I liked. I was a lanme cleaner at a bowling alley for 7 dollars a day. I was a human tree in a nursery school for the summer. Then I worked in my dad's video store after school and on weekends. you know what is interesting about working for the family business in high school? There were no protections. My dad at least paid me, but other kids I knew worked for free in their family business.

yes, kids want to work when asking their parents for money, and school is the other option. That does not necessarily make it a good thing. I was selling porn in high school because I worked for my dad in a video store that survived on porn. I worked right in front of the police and town authorities. It was somewhat legal because it was a family business. In another video store I would never have been allowed to restock the adult room, or take home adult movies. At my dad's store, I bought them for the store. If I had worked for a different store and did these things I would have had them in danger of me reporting them if they ever pissed me off. I tried that with my family once and they only asked me if I enjoyed foster care because that is where I am ending up if the authorities evergot a complain because they would not let me stay with my parents after that. I realized a family business is an interesting area where it allows for exploitation of kids around work laws, but it also does give them some interesting knowledge of how business works that their friends do not have.,

Anyway, UA is correct some kids do seek out these hours, but businesses today really are puttying themselves in danger by allowing it given the more strict environment of enforcement and legal liability.

I would have to disagree. It depends on what you are looking to do. In the sciences they do teach you about labs, tools, and the establishment of what you need to work. If you are going into occupations that do not require the knowledge of labs, scientific method, tools, and statistics college isn't helping much. even things like engineers get so much more through on the job experience with real world equipment.

In IT I would not have given a squat for a college degree in network engineering or OS troubleshooting and administration. Programming would have needed some formal education, but even there a trade school might have gotten you a lot more than college.

The big thing you learn at college is how to write up your work into a report or something communicative to others. even then they really do not formally say do this and do that for the things you need them to. You will be told later how to format your reports or plans as per the expectations of where you work.

We do not call it an apprenticeship much anymore. We call it a trade school and experience. They do exist and they do work. You just need to get the certifications which align with your career path. In certain high end career paths you need college, but it tends to work out mainly for the publishing aspect.

If you want to be in the medical field you need to go down the college path. In that aspect you will learn how to do things. If you want to be an astrophycisist you probably needs college for many reasons. A bachelors degree is really just a peace of paper that says you can do busy work. It does not even ensure you have worked with equipment and can operate it.

Then UA should come out and say he wants book learnin' gone, and for everyone to be a good little butcher, baker, and candlestick maker.
Or, maybe he has, and I give him way too much credit.

Not the way he puts it, but high school should be teaching kids what they need to start in society. They should really have a good cooking education. Where do you go for certain things you need. Here is how you fill out a form. Here is how you communicate. here is some math, and here is some of how science works. Here are some different types of people you will meet in the world and a little honest information about them. Here is how you work a computer and now the pads. Make sure they can read and comprehend a basic contract. how do you set up a bank account, or how do you set up your gig business.

WTF are you talking about? Have you been to a fucking trade school? It does not work like that you fucking moron.

Let us say I wanted to do welding, like UA and a couple of people around here. I would go to a trade school so I could work with the equipment in what is basically a paid apprenticeship. The guy who knows how to work with the equipment to properly weld is going to teach me a class and I am going to make some things. BTW that is exactly what an employer wants to see. They want experience and to know you can do what they hire you for.

How the fuck are you being owned by a fucking moron like UA? Have you worked in your life?

He's not talking trade school; he's talking the plastic surgery he wants done to regular school.

School does not prepare you for life. There is a reason for the saying those who can do, those who can't teach.

Bull.
My HS had wood shop, metal shop, auto shop, home ec, computer programming, secretary skills, etc, etc.
And that's in podunk-ass Maine.

Tell me you have never had a job or a trade without telling me you have never had a job or a trade.

your lack of experience with work is really shining like UA's ass today.

I get reminded why hard working people who know how to do things often think poorly of college educated liberal twats.

I am for education as it lifts people up, but the academic world is shit in america. The people who sit themselves in it for years while never getting a job and thinking they are doing something are the worthless fucks of the world. Not every college educated person does not do anything, but there is a lot of worthless shit wasting it's time there. It is an area where privilege has it's last little bit of fun in many lives.

Anyone who thinks a high school class prepares you for work is a fucking moron. If you hire someone straight out of high school art or tech classes who has done nothing else, that is a moron. A kid who likes working on cars, or building things and is good at shop or autoshop has gone out and done things in that area. FFS I had a passing interest in cars and was helping on a mazda racing team for fun. If I had sat on my ass and said I am not going to do that because I had autoshop, I would not have been able to get hired at some gas station repair shops.

One of my bosses hired a kid with a comp sci bachelors and an MCSE. The dude lit a fucking server on fire with help from the other idiot in my department because neither of the college educated morons knew what the inside of a computer looked like. It was beyond me and my boss how a person who had spent four years stuudying computers in college, and then took a ten thousand dollar MCSE course and passed could not have known dick about putting a computer together, but that is what modern education is about outside of tech schools a lot of times.

I am not saying some people do not learn these things in college, as I fucking met the ones that did. However, college is where people who cannot work in the real world go to hide. In the real world I was expected to teach. My boss looked at me and told me they were rolling out Notes 4 back in the day, and that I was going to learn it and teach the other techs how to use it, and establish a training class for the salesforce to educate them on how to use it over their present email system. That is how you learn to teach in the real world. As an introverted kid who turned bright red and lost my thoughts when I had to speak to people, I learned.

The real problem with college and high school is most teachers never worked in any of the fields they were teaching. Even the wood shop and auto shop teachers were not mechanics. There is a big difference in restoring a car and being a car mechanic. There is a big difference between shop and construction. I have seen high school computer labs full of macs. When I went to college and learned Unix scripting it was on some licensed for college system no one used in the real world. They were teaching me Unix and VAX systems, and the world was operating on windows and mainframes. I am not saying there was not a unix/linux back end, but people needed windows knowledge.

I wanted to learn glass blowing for fun, and that is when I realized I needed to learn torches and fuel mixtures that came from a tech school. From there I would need some real experience and not just some teacher telling me how to do stuff. That requires a person who has worked in the field. A teacher in high school is just introducing you to the tools.

God damnit @Diacanu you made me have to come out and agree with @Uncle Albert . You lose five thousand princess points for making really stupid arguments. If for some reason we ever get a campout going and have a cool meet up, I am going to need you to stay away from any fires of things that could hurt you.

No one made you do shit; you're as contrarian as he is.

noticing my contrarian nature is not going to get your princess points back. Perhaps if you were to bring me something cute you would get some back.

Well, let's see. You tried unsuccessfully to gaslight me with one of your Baron Munchausen stories, and all it's going to get you is rep applause from FF.
If anyone emptied their scoreboard, it's you.

Damn, you go to a consolidated school?

You forget @Ten Lubak needs something to tldr rep or he might do something drastic like making an actual argument, thinking, going outside, getting a life, stop being the canadian UA, fap to his AI combined pics of garamet and dayton's rotting stump, or any of the other things he does.