2024 Primary Elections.

I would expect Joe Biden to sue, the state courts to make a determination that he is eligible and to order the Secretary of State to put him on the ballot, a federal appeals court to uphold unanimously, and SCOTUS to deny cert. That seems entirely fair and legal.

No, that's not how our system works. You may believe in your heart of hearts that OJ. Simpson is guilty of murder, but the prosecution failed to convince the jury of that. You don't get to change that just because you don't like the outcome. I know the UnDemocratic Party likes to cheat any way they can, but they're bot going to get to do that this time. Trump was not convicted of insurrection. The DOJ can charge him of insurrection if they truly believe he participated in one. In DC it shouldn't be hard to get a conviction. People see what's going on, Trump is kicking Biden's ass in the polls and they're scared and desperate. I mean even Gavin Newson doesn't agree this is the way to go and many other Democrats agree. A majority of Americans agree that Trump should be on the ballot, only partisan hacks like yourself believe this is a good idea.

Well you are consistent with your authoritarian stance I'll give you that. I really didn't want to believe it, but I guess Trump broke your brain.

I don't think it was an insurrection and I don't think he participated in an insurrection.

On what do you base your assumptions? What have you read that suggests he had nothing to do with the situation at all?

Because insurrections are usually well planned out and well armed and usually storm several places at the same time and their leaders don't usually tell their followers to go peacefully and patriotically.

If I'm being honest, I think Trump broke your brain

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After hours of watching on TV hoping it works, and holding back the national guard, and then having their own family members beg him to make it stop.
But yeah.

And it wasn’t even him! Dan Scavino typed it up and finally got permission to post once it was clear Pence and everyone else had escaped the mob.

Nobody here has suggested sending OJ to prison as if he had been convicted, or changing the public record to indicate that he was convicted.

Wrong, he said it before the riot.

Exhibit A why people think you’re a Trump supporter.

Yes, we’re all familiar with how saying “peacefully”, once, is enough to get him off the hook, in your mind.

Elizabeth Holmes probably said “non-fraudulently” once too.

It certainly goes against the UnDemocratic party's narrative. Why is it do you think they didn't want to release all of the J6 footage? Why only show select footage?

That's not evidence, that's just you making a proclamation.

I love how that's good enough for you when it comes to Trump but when it comes to Joe Biden being "corrupt" or whatever you're like a dog on a bone despite there being zero evidence he is

Your willingness to ignore every report and known fact that doesn’t suit a pro-Trump narrative is clear. You’re a Trump supporter. Stop lying and go vote for him, you spineless cretin.

None of this has any bearing on whether the 14th amendment precludes Trump from being on the ballot.

Yes let's not let facts, a fair trial and a conviction get in the way of our Marxist agenda.

The facts are against him, and he’s getting any number of fair trials, all the criminal ones of which he’s alleging he’s immune from (all the civil ones he’s a defendant in, too).

Your willful failure to recognize that he’s getting all these fair trials is Exhibit B.

You mean “successful” insurrections. Insurrections like the one Jan 6 has, historically, ended with ALL involved were killed. No arrests, no charges, no trials. Killed. Period. I think every one of these assholes, including trump, needs to thank their lucky stars that there are people in our government who do not feel the same.

Yet he hasn’t been charged with insurrection and hasn’t been found guilty of insurrection, but you still want him off the ballot for taking part in an insurrection. Even your own Governor doesn’t think that’s a good idea.

Also, if you are not a trump supporter, you must have gotten all your information regarding trump supporters from the media. What is it about trump supporters that you think they would be able to mount a “successful” insurrection?

Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who served alongside Trump for a year and a half, sees the former president as a "threat to democracy," "unfit for office," and a national security threat.

With the 2024 elections in mind, this should probably be a bigger story.

https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.bsky.social/post/3kilbymocew24

This is not true, the ex-confederates weren't rounded up and summary executed.

Originalist Voice:

So does the plain text of the amendment say ‘participate in an insurrection’ or ‘give aid and comfort’ to those that had or does it say ‘convicted of participating in an insurrection’ or ‘give aid and comfort’ to those that had?

Nor were 99.9999999% tried for much less convicted of insurrection.

Does that mean that they didn’t participate in an insurrection?

No.

Pretty brilliant by Trump saying as a former President he is immune while at the same time saying he's going to prosecute Biden if elected