Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

I'm pretty sure they are both Irish. And Sinn Feinn is part of the government now. Hell, de Valera, the Taioseach, the leader of the Irish government during WWII, was former Sinn Fein.

But yes, every time your hypocrisy is pointed out you always deflect. But thanks for yet another endless lecture on what everyone else should do, that your nation didn't.

 

Yeah, we see through your bullshit.

People die when you start wars. More people die when the wars are virtually endless. Even more die when you target the state that exists to shelter a people from the worst genocide in history. The Never Again people take that seriously.

And the Palestinians have supported groups that overtly stated they wanted to to murder the Jews before, after, and during the Holocaust.

They take that seriously.

When such groups have shown murderous intent to anyone, even other Muslims that want to make peace, they absolutely have to.

So don't start wars you can't win.

And give up your dreams of genocide of your neighbors.

Has Hamas done that yet? Are they still officially the government of Gaza? Hell, have they even given up the hostages they took this time?

Then the war goes on.

 

This is embarrassing drivel. Sinn Fein (not Feinn) isn't part of the current government. And the party that DeValera was once a member of, two decades before WW2 is not the same party as the one bearing that name now.

As for "they're both Irish", fuck you. No wonder you hold all Gazans responsible for Hamas.
When are you going to atone for the Valentine's Day Massacre?

You really do have a thing for collective responsibility, don't you? All of your arguments are couched in it.

 

Oh snap.

Shit’s getting real.



On the one hand I want to respond.

On the other I have dry penis and they fly in tomorrow…

 

And you really DO Have a thing for hypocrisy. Remember just a few posts back in this thread that you stated the West in general would be responsible for genocide if it stops giving free food to Palestine?

Here it is:
http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3521463/

So which is it, Rick? Should we blame entire nations, no, entire geopolitical entities and cultures, or is everything just individual responsiblity?

Whichever is most convenient for your ideology at the time.

 

Westerners love blood libel as long as it isn't pointed in their direction by indigenous and brown populations, because white westerners are just smol beans looking for a rules based order. uWu.

 

I'm happy to clarify. "The west" is shorthand for western governments and political establishments - and not even all of them, since there are honorable exceptions. I certainly do not extend responsibility to all citizens, many of whom are in vigorous opposition to these policies.

Now, perhaps you can make a similar clarification with regards to my responsibility for theocrats like Eamon DeValera. Or even with regards to Palestinian two-year olds for Yahya Sinwar.

 

So I had a choice and I made it.

Dry dick be damned.

 

If you're a protestor calling for a cease fire Nancy Pelosi wants the FBI to investigate you because you're Putin backed. So here we are again with Russiagate 2.

 

Oh, at the end of the day I hold the leaders and the systems they uphold as the culprit.
It's why, for example, in regards to the US, I condemn Joe Biden as an explicit supporter of genocide. Honestly, most of congress, too, but Joe Biden specifically because the buck stops with him.

 

Are you unaware of events in the West Bank? They have been bombing it.

 

And then there's this.

A dozen Israeli soldiers just stormed a hospital, disguised as doctors, nurses, patients, & veiled women & executed 3 Palestinians in Jenin - the West Bank. The IDF has entire units whose specialty is to fight in urban spaces dressed as civilians, like the “Duvdevan unit 217”.

Link

Imagine if Hamas did something like that. But this won't even get any coverage.

 

Are you suggesting Hamas fighters don't disguise themselves as civilians?


Oh, look at all the coverage it's not getting

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-west-bank-hospital-raid-1.7098822

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/midd...er-raid-jenin-west-bank-hamas-intl/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/is...na-hospital-raid-3-palestinians-killed-jenin/

 

What? Nobody said that.
Are you saying it's okay for the IDF to dress up as doctors and invade a hospital to shoot patients (one of whom was in a coma) because they're members of Hamas?

 

They got Muhammed Jalmana in that raid, the spokesperson for the Hamas military in the West Bank. They said they had actionable intel that they were planning an attack.

What is it that the Geneva Convention says about that?

Oh right:

No persons residing, in whatever capacity, in a hospital and safety zone shall perform any work, either within or without the zone, directly connected with military operations or the production of war material.

But sure, time to be outraged that Israel is taking the fight to Hamas where they are. And Hamas has chosen to hide in tunnels - and in hospitals.

 

I'm not even going to argue. Defending this stuff should be considered a self-own at this point.

I will note that you guys are now way to the right of any western government in terms of how you view these issues. At least they are describing the death toll as a tragedy, saying things critical of Israel at times (particularly in terms of the West Bank) even if they do very little about it. You guys are lined up with the most extreme elements of the Israeli government and the settler movement, finding cause to excuse literally any crime they commit, rejecting even the idea that they should follow the Geneva Conventions, openly supporting ethnic cleansing and being just fine with a large number of Gazans starving to death.

 

It's more than okay, it's awesome.

Hamas members are terrorists and gangsters and murderers, each and every one of them deserves to die as horribly as possible, both as a punishment and as a warning to the others.


Maybe save your outrage for regular Palestinians and not the soulless thugs that would gladly rape you and your family to death just for fun? Just because you both want to see Israel destroyed doesn't mean they're your friends.

 

Okay man, I promise that if Hamas makes it to Ireland and rapes you and your loved ones to death, we'll make sure they don't get punished and instead receive a $100 Red Lobster gift card.

 

When you repeatedly violate the Geneva conventions they no longer apply. Who says so? The Geneva Conventions. You use hospitals for military purposes then they have no protections as hospitals any longer. And note this operation was surgical, went in and only targeted the terrorists in the hospital, and didn't hurt anyone else. The outrage level of course is just the same - how DARE they.

And the nations of the West are under no compulsion, legally or morally, to feed the Gazans. There are around 200 nations on the face of the planet. They too can step forward and provide aid if they believe that is the moral thing to do. You are the one claiming that only the West can do so.

And once again, why is UNRWA facing a temporary funding issue? Oh right, Hamas has infiltrated their ranks and have used them to commit terrorist attacks.

It's been 80 years since Amin al Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, allied with Hitler to ensure as many Jews were killed as possible. 75 years since the Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, the Secretary General of the Arab League, stated that the Arab nations of the world would exterminate the Jews if they accepted the UN partition. It's been 4 wars, and literally tens of thousands of attacks since.

Neither nation wants a 2 state solution any more. Latest polling has 80% of Palestinians rejecting it, and 75% of the Israelis.

I'm for rooting Hamas out at the source. UNRWA being dismantled as it's clearly compromised and has been for decades, and while I'd prefer that the Gazans be resettled because they have no future in Gaza without the international community providing the vast majority of their food, I know that can't happen because no one fucking wants the Gazans. So the PLA taking over is the next best thing - and that seems to be what the Arab nations have already come to, and hopefully we'll see Netanyahu being voted out in the not too distant future.

But the constant pearl clutching over a war that absolutely Hamas started with an incredible atrocity and Hamas getting it's ass kicked is revolting. Hamas is responsible for the well being of their people, they are the government of Gaza. They don't care should be yet another reason to get rid of them.

 

Still a blatant hypocrite, when you lectured that nations have a obligation to stop genocide without pointing out your nation has always refused to do anything at all about it. And continue to do so, because you don't even have a military so there's no chance you can take actual action. Just endlessly, uselessly lecture.

And children die in all wars. No, I wouldn't have broken down weeping as my womb contracted that German kids died because of Hitler or Japanese due to Tojo.

Which is why I've stated over and over again you shouldn't start wars.

But Hamas has stated that the Palestinian people exist to be martyrs, and that they'd rather all die than give up on their dream of destroying Israel.

Which is why Hamas has to go. And yes, that's going to mean innocent people die. Like Hamas wants. Because they aren't going to win on the battlefield, all they can do is massacre and hope people like you weaken international support of Israel.

Of course, that won't be enough either. Hamas badly, badly miscalculated.

And they are in the process of being wiped out.

 

LOL. Because everyone else talking about this on Wordforge is taking "actual action", has command of a military and is responsible for their national policy.

 

I said your nation, moron. And yes, you are a representative of that nation. You lecture everyone else about the actions of their nations, but you, nope, I don't have nothing to do with that!

Which is why I call you a hypocrite.

 

I think the Warrington bombings were more despicable.

 

This is Dayton-level bullshit. He used to come out with this all of the time. Yes, it might be argued that we have a responsibility as citizens to participate in national policy forming. No, we are not directly responsible for it or bound to defend it. A criticism of the US policy is not a criticism of you personally. This broad stroke approach to peoples and nations is pretty fascist and explains a lot about you actually. It's clearer now.

That said, I've discussed the Irish and the EU response in this situation several times - in some cases agreeing, in some disagreeing and in others saying what I was personally doing to help affect the policies.

And for another thing, while there have also been disgraceful things done, if we're talking about doing something to help prevent genocide neither body is actually joining in the cutting of aid to UNRWA. There appears to be quite a row developing about it.

 

They were heinous, but this is just another twisted attempt to associate me with a terrorist action simply because the perpetrators happened to share my nationality. Maybe you can organise a blockade of our food supply. That'll show me!

 

No, we took you in when your food ran out. That's why there are more people of Irish heritage in the US than in Ireland.

 

It wasn't "you" who took anyone in, and it didn't "run out", actually. It was purposely kept from "us". Same thing as is being attempted in Gaza.

 

I didn't say you were personally responsible for it or had to defend it.

I did say it was hypocritical to talk about the lack of action by other nations, clearly morally clucking at our collective guilt in your eyes, without addressing even worse fallings in your own nation. You were being patronizing, yet again.

 

There was literally a blight on potatoes, Phytophthora infestans wiped out 3/4s of the crop for seven straight years. The English lords did take away much of the rest of the food, to their eternal shame, but that doesn't mean that it happened in a vacuum. The blight happened, and that is the single largest reason that the Irish left Ireland in droves to the US. Without the blight, the manor lords demanding their cut wouldn't have caused starvation.

And yes, it was 'we', as in Americans. You sure do like to play games with verbiage.

But lots of facts you don't seem to like. They fuck with your blatant ideology.

And no, it's not the same thing as Gaza. How incredibly fucking stupid, deplorably so.

Giving people food for free for 75 years is not the same thing as taking the food they make. Never has been, never will be.

Your ideology doesn't change that.

 

It's not exactly the same, but it's deliberately engineering a famine in both cases.

And yeah, there was potato blight. But that had happened before, and it happened all over Europe at the same time. There would have been no famine in Ireland had not discriminatory laws forced millions into relying on the potato and had not other sources of food been collected at the barrel of a gun for export.

Now, remember the video showing a man with a white flag being shot? Your canned response was to blame Hamas. Well, the IDF just admitted it was them. A "mistake", apparently. Those who watched the footage can make their own judgement on that, as well as the obvious pattern across many such incidents.