Aaand, I'm Going to Skip the Obvious Jokes

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    Because they'd be like dynamiting puppies in a barrel.
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    Just saw this.

    They say this would have been a big thing in the 60's, how dare we in the 20teens.

    But really I know black face was a thing in the late nineties. And nobody batted an eye so a big deal in the 60's really????

    I get people don't like it. Okay, I will respect that.

    But my question, if someone dresses up as Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction for Halloween, not this story I know but a question I have, why would that be offensive if the person dressing up was white?
     
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    It depends upon how they dressed up. If they wore the clothes that he did, but no face paint, no problem. After all, if a black person dressed up as Luke Skywalker from Star Wars, they wouldn't paint their face white, so why paint your face to be Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction?
     
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    I forgot to save the link, but I do remember seeing a white kid with lenky limp hair dressed as Malcom X with the suit and glasses but no blackface.

    :shrug:
     
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    Lots of attention being paid to one of the smallest schools in the state.
     
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    The OP or Dayton's comment?
     
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    I'd pay good money to see that asshat try that in Harlem.
     
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    Damn that's a fucking racist thing to say! :chris:Are you implying that black people don't have enough self-control and are prone to sudden violence? :chris:
     
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    Sure thing, slappy. That's exactly what I meant.
     
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    Well that's how I interpreted your comment. With an attitude like yours no wonder they don't like you there. Better keep your ass south of 110th. :jayzus:
     
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    My attitudes just fine, Slappy.
     
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    What the holy fuck?!?!? Is this for real? This douchebag still has his job? :no:
     
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    Most black people do not put on white make up when dressing as white characters. The most I have seen are wigs that are there for a more white style. I have seen a lot of black fans play white characters while not changing their skin color at all. But I do see there is a possible difference in offensive blackface and a person doing it out of admiration for a person and their looks. I just do not know if it would be seen that way from an observer who was not aware of a person using blackface because they admired Samuel Jackson.

    The person in the OP is clearly not admiring black people and is openly reacist and insulting. To have a conversation over how in a good world white people would admire black people and celebrate their looks in a caring fashion, and vice versa, over this specific issue undermines that view as it looks like it is trying to excuse an offensive costume and put blame on the offended for being hypersensitive to when they have every good reason to be offended.
     
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    Oh good Fucking God, STFU with that shit. It gets tiresome from people who have a racist bent to their attitudes and opinions to try and pretend it is everyone else. Not all black people are violent, but you are likely to find one who is willing to whip your ass especially in areas of poverty and hardship. It would be the same thing if I walked into a redneck bar and was dressed as a drunk hillbilly and openly mocking white trash. Most of them would probably do nothing, but I would imagine an ass kicking to be coming.

    That is common sense and it is not racism.
     
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    Wouldn't have to go that far. Just drive down the road to Mineral Springs.
     
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    Yes. :yes:
     
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    To be more recognizable as the character? :shrug: I don't know, I've seen some pretty good cosplays of people who were not the race of the characters they were playing, but then, the costumes were themselves pretty recognizable, because, you know, anime. :shrug:


    This is Arsène Lupin III and Daisuke Jigen
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    For reference these are the characters from the show:
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    I think you've proven Tuckerfan's point that blackface isn't required to identify with a particular character. :shrug:
     
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    If racial minorities are portrayed in a neutral or positive way, why is face paint intrinsically offensive?
     
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    Because it is :marathon:

    Okay, snark aside maybe this will be less offensive in 100 years if and when we've achieved true equality. But we're not there yet and glorified minstrel shows such as Amos and Andy are still inside of living memory.

    Just don't do it. :shrug:
     
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    When I was in high school at Halloween approached a few guys wore full on KKK costumes and regalia.

    I thought my costume was more imaginative.
     
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    In this instance, yes. But then with most anime characters, the costume itself helps to distinguish who they are because they are essentially designed that way so the audience can tell who is who in long shots and blurred action scenes. But in the example he gave, a white guy cosplaying as Samuel L. Jackson's character from Pulp Fiction would just be a guy in a black suit with an afro wig. Hence why I suggested that make-up might help to make the cosplay more recognizable. Or just that the cosplayer wants to be as accurate as possible. Like the many people who have cosplayed as this character:
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    I do not think that character is technically human.
     
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    So that makes it all ok? :facepalm:
     
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    I don't recall there ever being a time when it wasn't considered highly offensive.
     
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    It means that it isn't indicative of an attitude or problem across a region or a state.
     
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    The OP, Dayton's comment is expected. His autism prevents him from not acting like a racist douchebag.
     
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    Going as the Jules Winnfield character for Halloween is offensive?